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Well, Flanagan and Lola have found a great home. :o ) A family with 2 young boys of 8 & 10, who were very gentle and reserved when meeting the kittens. Mom and dad didn’t commit to the kittens as soon as they saw them – they had wanted one bitty, and I told them that Flan and Lola were a pair, so they went away to discuss the implications of 2 owners before saying yes. Anyway, they seem very nice, very concerned about the kittens and what having them entails, and I am happy with the home.

It sounds promising, especially with responsible parents and children who have apparently been taught how to treat animals gently. I think Flanagan and Lola have hit the jackpot! And they’ll have two hoomin playmates for kitten-appropriate fun  and games. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which brings me on to Alfie. I have made the decision not to adopt him, simply because Cleo is having difficulty adjusting to the new addition. She’s terrified of the kittens to the point that yesterday she was pounced on by Alfie and she wet herself in fear. Lord alone knows what happened to her before I got her, to make her so hesitant and fraidy (she makes Pandora look brash and confident!) but I can’t take the risk that she won’t adapt – she’s having enough problems with the dog and she’s been around her for 6 months now. So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o ( Helen M

I hope Alfie will be very happy with his new slaves. =o) ANd that they’ll be very happy with him. And Cleo will be able to relax, again. <G Quiet and tidiness… well, you’ll get used to it, although it won’t be as much fun as mad bitties tearing around and around! Melissa

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Lots and lots of purrs and hugs for you, Helen, — Polonca & Soncek

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, Flanagan and Lola have found a great home. :o ) A family with 2 young boys of 8 & 10, who were very gentle and reserved when meeting the kittens. Mom and dad didn’t commit to the kittens as soon as they saw them – they had wanted one bitty, and I told them that Flan and Lola were a pair, so they went away to discuss the implications of 2 owners before saying yes. Anyway, they seem very nice, very concerned about the kittens and what having them entails, and I am happy with the home. Which brings me on to Alfie. I have made the decision not to adopt him, simply because Cleo is having difficulty adjusting to the new addition. She’s terrified of the kittens to the point that yesterday she was pounced on by Alfie and she wet herself in fear. Lord alone knows what happened to her before I got her, to make her so hesitant and fraidy (she makes Pandora look brash and confident!) but I can’t take the risk that she won’t adapt – she’s having enough problems with the dog and she’s been around her for 6 months now. So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o ( Helen M — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o (

Such good news about Flan and Lola.  Purrs that little Alfie finds a great home with this  couple. — Regards and Purrs, O J

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, Flanagan and Lola have found a great home. :o ) A family with 2 young boys of 8 & 10, who were very gentle and reserved when meeting the kittens. Mom and dad didn’t commit to the kittens as soon as they saw them – they had wanted one bitty, and I told them that Flan and Lola were a pair, so they went away to discuss the implications of 2 owners before saying yes. Anyway, they seem very nice, very concerned about the kittens and what having them entails, and I am happy with the home. Which brings me on to Alfie. I have made the decision not to adopt him, simply because Cleo is having difficulty adjusting to the new addition. She’s terrified of the kittens to the point that yesterday she was pounced on by Alfie and she wet herself in fear. Lord alone knows what happened to her before I got her, to make her so hesitant and fraidy (she makes Pandora look brash and confident!) but I can’t take the risk that she won’t adapt – she’s having enough problems with the dog and she’s been around her for 6 months now. So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o ( Helen M

That’s great news about Flanagan and Lola. :-) I’m sure the couple will love Alfie at first sight. You’ve done a good job, I hope Cleo enjoys the , very quiet and very tidy house. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, Flanagan and Lola have found a great home. :o ) A family with 2 young boys of 8 & 10, who were very gentle and reserved when meeting the kittens. Mom and dad didn’t commit to the kittens as soon as they saw them – they had wanted one bitty, and I told them that Flan and Lola were a pair, so they went away to discuss the implications of 2 owners before saying yes. Anyway, they seem very nice, very concerned about the kittens and what having them entails, and I am happy with the home. Which brings me on to Alfie. I have made the decision not to adopt him, simply because Cleo is having difficulty adjusting to the new addition. She’s terrified of the kittens to the point that yesterday she was pounced on by Alfie and she wet herself in fear. Lord alone knows what happened to her before I got her, to make her so hesitant and fraidy (she makes Pandora look brash and confident!) but I can’t take the risk that she won’t adapt – she’s having enough problems with the dog and she’s been around her for 6 months now. So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o ( Helen M

Purrs on the way that this will be Alfie’s perfect forever-home! Hugs, CatNipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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aw, sad for you but everything sounds like things are falling into place. Please give Cleo extra love and skritches from us. Jazz & his mama — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, Flanagan and Lola have found a great home. :o ) A family with 2 young boys of 8 & 10, who were very gentle and reserved when meeting the kittens. Mom and dad didn’t commit to the kittens as soon as they saw them – they had wanted one bitty, and I told them that Flan and Lola were a pair, so they went away to discuss the implications of 2 owners before saying yes. Anyway, they seem very nice, very concerned about the kittens and what having them entails, and I am happy with the home. Which brings me on to Alfie. I have made the decision not to adopt him, simply because Cleo is having difficulty adjusting to the new addition. She’s terrified of the kittens to the point that yesterday she was pounced on by Alfie and she wet herself in fear. Lord alone knows what happened to her before I got her, to make her so hesitant and fraidy (she makes Pandora look brash and confident!) but I can’t take the risk that she won’t adapt – she’s having enough problems with the dog and she’s been around her for 6 months now. So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o ( Helen M — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Well, Flanagan and Lola have found a great home. :o ) A family with 2 young boys of 8 & 10, who were very gentle and reserved when meeting the kittens. Mom and dad didn’t commit to the kittens as soon as they saw them – they had wanted one bitty, and I told them that Flan and Lola were a pair, so they went away to discuss the implications of 2 owners before saying yes. Anyway, they seem very nice, very concerned about the kittens and what having them entails, and I am happy with the home. Which brings me on to Alfie. I have made the decision not to adopt him, simply because Cleo is having difficulty adjusting to the new addition. She’s terrified of the kittens to the point that yesterday she was pounced on by Alfie and she wet herself in fear. Lord alone knows what happened to her before I got her, to make her so hesitant and fraidy (she makes Pandora look brash and confident!) but I can’t take the risk that she won’t adapt – she’s having enough problems with the dog and she’s been around her for 6 months now. So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o ( Helen M — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Sounds good. Adjustment purrs for all (including you with your quieter house). Suz&Spicey

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, Flanagan and Lola have found a great home. :o ) A family with 2 young boys of 8 & 10, who were very gentle and reserved when meeting the kittens. Mom and dad didn’t commit to the kittens as soon as they saw them – they had wanted one bitty, and I told them that Flan and Lola were a pair, so they went away to discuss the implications of 2 owners before saying yes. Anyway, they seem very nice, very concerned about the kittens and what having them entails, and I am happy with the home. Which brings me on to Alfie. I have made the decision not to adopt him, simply because Cleo is having difficulty adjusting to the new addition. She’s terrified of the kittens to the point that yesterday she was pounced on by Alfie and she wet herself in fear. Lord alone knows what happened to her before I got her, to make her so hesitant and fraidy (she makes Pandora look brash and confident!) but I can’t take the risk that she won’t adapt – she’s having enough problems with the dog and she’s been around her for 6 months now. So, we have found a great home for Alfie – an older semi-retired couple who are looking to adopt a single kitten to rule their lives. :o ) They come to meet him tomorrow, so purrs would be gratefully recieved that they like each other. My house will be very quiet and very tidy this weekend. :o ( Helen M

Awww. Poor Cleo. Well, you have to think of her first. Purrs for an excellent connection with Alfie and the prospective slaves.

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<gently snipped ::It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed ::emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t ::tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither ::could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made ::the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and ::Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the ::room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. ::And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane ::Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them ::in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and ::to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, ::and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces ::over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Dear Sally, Sorry this happened. I know how traumatic and upsetting it can be. When my son was around 7, our dog bit him in the face while hugging him. Our first reaction was to get rid of him or to have him euthanized. Once we calmed down……we realized that Hershey was a good dog and this incident was out of character for him. We took him to our vet the next day for advice. The first thing the vet told us was that Hershey must get neutered ASAP. Dogs that were not neutered tend to be more aggressive. Once Hershey was fixed…….there were no more incidents. Since then, we do not allow children to hug our dogs or to get too close to their face. I hope Monster was able to find a new home, one without children. I also hope that the healing process has begun for you and your family. (((((Sally))))) Jackie ~*~When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it~*~             — Bernard Bailey — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chip schreef: Conclusions  Treatment with *SSRIs is associated with symptomatic improvement in depression by the end of the first week of use*, and the improvement continues at a decreasing rate for at least 6 weeks. The keyword here, I think, is *depression*.

I don’t know which responds faster to an SSRI, depression or anxiety. Since they both tend to go together, maybe at the same rate. I know a number of people suffering from depression who indeed noticed improvement within a week although rarely very much improvement. I have met one or two anxiety sufferers who had positive experiences within a few days and read (don’t remember where) that this occurs occasionally.

When I first tried Zoloft 14 years ago for depression, I had a response (marked improvement) within the first week. I always thought it was the placebo effect. Until I read the above abstract a month or two ago. After two weeks on Zoloft the depression was GONE. Which is a strange sensation: going from very depressed to NO depression over the course of 2 weeks. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I can’t imagine how scary that must have been, thank god she only got a little scrape.  I don’t trust any dog with a child, zero.  So many times things worse have happened and they say the dog was always great with kids.  A dog is a dog is a dog.  There is no way to tell which one will one day attack.  My Daughter is very careful with her dog around the baby but still it always scares me since he is one hell of a giant golden retriever.  Same when my granddaughter was around my little boston terrier.  She is the sweetest most loving dog you can imagine, but I don’t trust her with children, it’s just not worth the risk, no matter how small that risk is. Sorry if this sounded like a lecture, I didn’t mean it to.  Sending tons Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally

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Oh Sally, what a lot of stressors at once!  Regarding the dog, I hope a good home is found for him.  He was probably scared or surprised by the neck hug. I hope Claire is okay. Since we know the hormonal problem will subside, that’s a one-day-at-a-time situation.  Just breathe :) You’ll do fine.  There is nothing in this situation that won’t get better. Hugs, Deirdre

Yeah, but you know me. I don’t have just *ONE* life altering event – I seem to have 2, sometimes 3 or 4 at once, Claire’s fine. She’s  as beautiful as ever, and as ornery. We are calming down. Halloween was a scary one for us, but not in the usual "fun" way. It sort of sucked… I just hope Monster is able to be placed in a home that wants him – he’s  a good dog, but I don’t think any dog is going to be part of my kids’ household for a very long time. That was too scary. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I never  heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though) I read a medical article recently that reported the results of a study, and said SSRIs start working in one week. Meaning some improvement is noted after only 7 days. Full effect takes longer to reach. The article noted this was contrary to the usual spiel which goes something like "takes 2 to 4 weeks to work and up to 8 weeks"  and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. Maybe he snapped at her as a warning. Dogs can’t talk. Our beagle was sitting at my mother’s feet while she was eating breakfast, and I patted the beagles back, and she snapped at me cause she thought I’d interfere with her obtaining food. (food is very important to beagles…..they’re highly motivated by food). The beagle didn’t want to harm or hurt me. Just warn me. In any case, I hope every thing settles down, Sally. You and your family are in my prayers. Chip

Chip, Maybe Paul is feeling the medication already. You can read what I wrote to Philip concerning him.. it is difficult for me to really know if he’s truly feeling better or just wants to so bad he is -doesn’t really make a difference I guess. Just so he gets some relief.  I am proud of him, he does so much, and he is in an estrogen rich environment – wife, 2 daughters and grandmas hanging out all the time. He is a good kid, he just needs to learn how to unwind and not worry so much. Many dogs are food aggressive. I have often watched Animal Planet and they won’t place a food aggressive dog – but I grew up with a dog that was food aggressive (standard Poodle).. My Dakota will act that way ONLY if she’s got something REAL good.. like a steak bone. I mean, primo stuff. She doesn’t  care one bit if I walk up and stick my hand in her food bowl , she’s not that way unless it’s something she just loves.. Dogs are all about dominance and submission. Dakota knows the command "Drop!" and she knows to let go of whatever it is when we say so. If she growls at me  - ever – immediately, I remove whatever it is that she is trying to protect and I get her to lay down and show me her belly.. IOW..submit.. As soon as she does, she gets her goodie back, but  NOT until she realizes she is not the one in charge. I feel a need to have to do this. She is half Rotweiller, and I am not going to be anything other than pack leader with her. This works well for dogs that want to run and jump on people too – I learned it on the "Dog Whisperer" – if you don’t establish dominance, they will try to… and I spent months allowing her to walk ME around the condo complex, until I learned to teach her to submit, and I’ve not had a problem with either the walking nor the food aggression since. –And this was not a growl.. it was the sound of a dog attacking, even though he didn’t fully attack ,nor will he ever get the chance to.. it was bad. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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vibes, please. Mine are vibing across the Atlantic even as we speak. Philip

Oh my! Across the Atlantic?? Men so exaggerate!! This is why they are the ones that can read maps – only a man can conceive of one inch/cm = 1mile/meter LOL – thanks for the mending thoughts, my friend. I think Monster was warning, not truly attacking Claire, but he was not kidding even a little bit. As Margrove noted – Monster could have ripped Claire’s face off and he did not. However… the tone of his voice coulda fooled anyone. This was not a mild "cut that out" growl. this was an "I’m eating your face" … noise.. is the only way I can describe it . It was the sound of a dog in a vicious fight, and nothing we can let within any proximity to the kids, ever again. That was the end of his home at their house, for sure. Not a bit pleasant. He’s been a very good dog, but for all we know, it might not have been a warning, it could have been a real attack, and nobody wanted to wait for that to happen. Let’s hope he finds a good home – I think he’d be fine in most any home that didn’t have toddlers pulling on him. As to the med, maybe Paul is beginning to feel a change.. I don’t trust him to know, LOL. My boy is a bit of a hypochondriac and I think he exaggerates his physical feelings. We’ve not rechecked his BP and need to – in the doctor’s office, it was running at 150/100 – it had been running around 130/90 range. I don’t have BP problems, and his dad takes BP meds, but he’s an old dude (not really. Older than me – he’s 60).. And I think BP problems started with my ex fairly recently. Paul had some incidences of dizziness, which is why he made an appointment with my doctor. I’ve not said a word to him (like I said, he is one big hypochondriac )-but I feared it might be the onset of panic.  We will see. I don’t even want to say the P word to him unless and until everything.. I mean everything is ruled out, or he’ll be our new poster to the group. I think I could induce leprosy on that kid if I told him I thought it might be leprosy.. so no P word until we’ve tested it all. He IS stressed out.. he’s been very worried about his wife, and the pregnancy and the birth – they also had their house on the market awhile – and now he’s a new daddy and the sole provider. He’s just spread very thin… and I think stress/anxiety is the culprit. Let’s hope the Lex works well for him, and I’m going to take his BP tomorrow. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh how awful, Sally!  Good vibes being sent your way.  I feel so bad for you all.  Let us know what happens to Monster, please.  I hope he can be put into a home without children present.  What a terrible night for you all.  {{{{{{{Sally & Family}}}}}}} Love, Di

(((hey Di)))) Yes, it was very scary, but we lived through it, and Claire does not have a messed up face. I think the worst part was how unexpectedly it happened… but  maybe it’s for the best. I’ve thought when I visited that the kids get all the attention – Monster is just starved for love, so maybe he will live, and find a home where he’ll have more of the spotlight, and my grand daughters won’t grow up mangled.. It’s for the best, I think. We’re okay. Thanks so much for caring. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally Hi Sally, Not always easy to tell if a dog is going to be good with kids. I think some breeds are naturally more tolerant than others, but also depends on the dog’s experience with people. I grew up with two dogs, both mix breeds. There was Annie and one of her pups named Mutt. When Mutt was a puppy and I was a young child, I treated him more like a toy than a pet. Not surprisingly, Mutt never felt very comfortable with me after that and I took some bites from him over the years, but only when I provoked him. I learned a lot from him about respecting animals. Families with pets often have to make decisions about whether or not the pets and kids will interact well, and I’m sure it’s often a difficult judgment call. Sending good vibes. Very Best Wishes, Arthur

Hey Arthur, I think maybe after the girls are older would be a better time to have a dog. I was 7 when I got my first dog, and I admit, I was still probably too young to have a dog then. Kids don’t really have the compassion an adult would have toward an animal – they are toys to the child.. perfect word.  Monster was a mixed breed. He was half dalmatian and I think half rat. At least that would account for his face. I feel badly about the entire thing, but it was never my idea to have a dog and babies – I personally would not even attempt that. I try to just love and support them – advice is not wanted nor heeded, but sometimes life is a better teacher than words.. bad experience for us all. (((Thanks))), Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Sally, I’m sorry this occurred.  I wouldn’t even have a second thought about what to do.  It’s difficult to let the dog go but if something would happen to Claire in the future, you’d never forgive yourselves. ((((((Claire & Family)))))) smiles, Elise

Yes. This was a no-brainer. No dogs around any babies! Not again! That was enough of a scare, and thankfully, Claire was not hurt. Can’t say mom and grandma handled it half as well as Claire did. It was just upsetting and something we’ll get over, it was just.. not a good scene at all, or an easy thing to do. Easy choice to make, but it made no one feel good. Very mixed feelings, still. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Sally, I hope things go better for you and your family soon. Events usually go in cycles and somethings things go wrong all at the same time. Things will straighten out eventually, but while you are going through rocky times, it doesn’t seem like it. Hang in there … :) Mary

Hey Mary, Thanks so much. I do know that sometimes it just seems like everything goes badly at once. It’s also true sometimes things all seem to go well. It was real unfortunate, and it is regrettable we got so attached to an animal and vice-versa and it turned out like this.. Live and learn. My grand daughter is fine. She’s not going to be so fine when she discovers her dog has gone away, though. Glad I live in another part of town, LOL. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally no dog is to be trusted around small chidlren-his response was territorial, dominant and fear based-if the dog is hugged around the neck he has nowhere to go for egress, so he defended himself-if he wanted to hurt her, he could have devoured her face-he didn’t-it was more a warning more then anything else-I hope someone adopts him rather then just dumbly labeling him as a kid killer pit bull predator-and ends his life

LM, I showed your response to my son, and it made him feel better. He said it kind of reinforced the same conclusion they had come to – that it’s just not a great idea to have animals around small children. The fact that this did not happen sooner – Claire is 20 months old – lets you know Monster is a good dog. He just was not at all in the mood for a neck hug. To say the least. I wish so much someone would adopt him, he really is such a sweetheart. (((Thanks)))) Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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        Sorry to hear about this, Sally!  All the upset of a new baby and to have to lose a pet too.  It’s sad, I understand.  Good vibes and prayers coming your way!  No more Halloween demons.  Our dog Spike is having some trouble we don’t understand. Dennis

Thanks Dennis, It was traumatic but we are doing better today. I hope you can figure out what is going on with Spike, sometimes vets can help. (((Thanks)))) Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chip schreef: Conclusions  Treatment with *SSRIs is associated with symptomatic improvement in depression by the end of the first week of use*, and the improvement continues at a decreasing rate for at least 6 weeks.

The keyword here, I think, is *depression*. I know a number of people suffering from depression who indeed noticed improvement within a week although rarely very much improvement. I have met one or two anxiety sufferers who had positive experiences within a few days and read (don’t remember where) that this occurs occasionally. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh Sally, what a lot of stressors at once!  Regarding the dog, I hope a good home is found for him.  He was probably scared or surprised by the neck hug. I hope Claire is okay. Since we know the hormonal problem will subside, that’s a one-day-at-a-time situation.  Just breathe :) You’ll do fine.  There is nothing in this situation that won’t get better. Hugs, Deirdre

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally

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 I never  heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though)

I read a medical article recently that reported the results of a study, and said SSRIs start working in one week. Meaning some improvement is noted after only 7 days. Full effect takes longer to reach. The article noted this was contrary to the usual spiel which goes something like "takes 2 to 4 weeks to work and up to 8 weeks"  and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death.

Maybe he snapped at her as a warning. Dogs can’t talk. Our beagle was sitting at my mother’s feet while she was eating breakfast, and I patted the beagles back, and she snapped at me cause she thought I’d interfere with her obtaining food. (food is very important to beagles…..they’re highly motivated by food). The beagle didn’t want to harm or hurt me. Just warn me. In any case, I hope every thing settles down, Sally. You and your family are in my prayers. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though)

Here’s that article I was referring to: Early Onset of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Antidepressant Action Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Matthew J. Taylor, MRCPsych; Nick Freemantle, PhD; John R. Geddes, MD; Zubin Bhagwagar, DPhil Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2006;63:1217-1223. Context  Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are often described as having a delayed onset of effect in the treatment of depression. However, some trials have reported clinical improvement as early as the first week of treatment. Objective  To test the alternative hypotheses of delayed vs early onset of antidepressant action with SSRIs in patients with unipolar depression. Data Sources  Trials identified by searching CENTRAL, The Cochrane Collaboration database of controlled trials (2005), and the reference lists of identified trials and other systematic reviews. Conclusions  Treatment with *SSRIs is associated with symptomatic improvement in depression by the end of the first week of use*, and the improvement continues at a decreasing rate for at least 6 weeks. http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/63/11/1217 — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Sally, I hope things go better for you and your family soon. Events usually go in cycles and somethings things go wrong all at the same time. Things will straighten out eventually, but while you are going through rocky times, it doesn’t seem like it. Hang in there … :) Mary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh how awful, Sally!  Good vibes being sent your way.  I feel so bad for you all.  Let us know what happens to Monster, please.  I hope he can be put into a home without children present.  What a terrible night for you all.  {{{{{{{Sally & Family}}}}}}} Love, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally

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highanxiety schreef: Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that..  

It is rare but it *is* possible to experience poitive effects from an AD within days. Is Paul’s BP ok again? (If not, there are betablockers, calcium antagonists, ACE inhibitors and such.) He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening.

I can feel it coming….. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE.

Ouch! Scary stuff.   Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically.

Was it really *attacking* or just stopping Claire from hugging him? I am happy that she wasn’t seriously injured which is what happens when a dog attacns seriously, I’d think. (Not that I would take the risk with a child)   She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize.

Interesting and a good thing. There may also be people without children who may be interested in an essentially nice dog like Monster (love the name). It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either.

No, you can’t. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids.

Hey, *I* just said that, you’re stealing my lines ;-) but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere…

Obviously. vibes, please.

Mine are vibing across the Atlantic even as we speak. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally

Hi Sally, Not always easy to tell if a dog is going to be good with kids. I think some breeds are naturally more tolerant than others, but also depends on the dog’s experience with people. I grew up with two dogs, both mix breeds. There was Annie and one of her pups named Mutt. When Mutt was a puppy and I was a young child, I treated him more like a toy than a pet. Not surprisingly, Mutt never felt very comfortable with me after that and I took some bites from him over the years, but only when I provoked him. I learned a lot from him about respecting animals. Families with pets often have to make decisions about whether or not the pets and kids will interact well, and I’m sure it’s often a difficult judgment call. Sending good vibes. Very Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Sally, I’m sorry this occurred.  I wouldn’t even have a second thought about what to do.  It’s difficult to let the dog go but if something would happen to Claire in the future, you’d never forgive yourselves. ((((((Claire & Family)))))) smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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        Sorry to hear about this, Sally!  All the upset of a new baby and to have to lose a pet too.  It’s sad, I understand.  Good vibes and prayers coming your way!  No more Halloween demons.  Our dog Spike is having some trouble we don’t understand.   Dennis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey ASAPM, We are going through an adjustment period as a family with the birth of my second grand daughter. My son is young, 28, and his BP has been higher than mine ever ran. He made an appointment with my doctor, who told him it was stress (aka..the "a" word) and he put him on 10mg Lexapro. Paul’s only been on the stuff a week, but he says he can tell a difference already – was having lots of diarrhea, and now he’s not. I am thinking some of this may be just the placebo effect, I never heard of an AD working in a week (I wish they did though).. Anyway.. there is that.. and my DIL is having mood swings, but all new mothers do. She’s kind of snappy and emotional, but hopefully, this will pass. I know I’ve been there and it’s no fun at all. Those damned hormones. We had an upsetting event tonight, and I just want some good vibes and prayers. It was so unexpected. Right BEFORE my kids got married, they got a dog. They named him "Monster" because he would not behave at all. LOL. Monster is NOT the prettiest dog I’ve seen, but I love him. We all do. A couple of years ago on Christmas Eve night, someone tried to break into the  kids’ house, and Monster woke the kids up in time for my son to run the guy off – Monster was our hero. He’s been really a wonderful dog with my grand daughter Claire. He has put up with her pulling his ears, and trying to ride him.. things toddlers do to dogs – he’s just been very non chalant about her, and she really loves Monster. We never had a problem until this evening. Claire and Monster were in the same chair and Monster was kissing Claire, and she was laughing. She put her arms around his neck and gave him a hug. It was not a hard hug. It was a gentle hug – and he attacked her IN THE FACE. Scared us about half to death. We never saw that coming, and could not figure out what even happened to make him act like that. Claire got a little scrape near her nose, but was otherwise okay physically. It was harder on my DIL and I, who witnessed it, than it was on Claire physically. We decided he had to go. No questions, no second chances, no nothing. My son took him to the Humane Society. They originally said they would euthenize (sp) him if he had attacked a child, that he was not placeable. The woman who is in charge of the facility that takes animals that have attacked people just happened to be there at the time my son brought Monster in – She was very nice, and Paul explained that he had never acted like that before. She told him that they would have an animal behaviorist test Monster before they made the final decision to euthanize. It was upsetting to us all. Just upsetting. The whole thing. And mixed emotions, because Monster was part of our family, but we can’t tolerate an animal we can’t trust with the babies either. Neither could we just pass on our problem to another person.. I know we made the only right decision we could.. but you all keep my kids and Monster in your prayers. I’d take him, but I simply do not have the room. I want him alive and maybe in a home without kids. Don’t know. And my son especially was upset about having to take him to the Humane Society. He said he was glad he was on the Lexapro. Just… keep them in your vibes and prayers. It’s not easy adjusting to a new baby, and to have to give up your pet suddenly – it’s just a lot. I am crying, and it was not even my dog, but I’ll take my grand daughters’ faces over any animal, anytime, anywhere… vibes, please. Love, Sally

no dog is to be trusted around small chidlren-his response was territorial, dominant and fear based-if the dog is hugged around the neck he has nowhere to go for egress, so he defended himself-if he wanted to hurt her, he could have devoured her face-he didn’t-it was more a warning more then anything else-I hope someone adopts him rather then just dumbly labeling him as a kid killer pit bull predator-and ends his life — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone else have social anxiety? I find even the simplest conversation excruciating. Usually it’s a variation of (something like) "What brings you here?" or "What do you like to do for fun?" OH GOD !  i don’t have social anxiety (i don’t think) but i HATE those questions… like "what do you like to do?" or "what do you do for fun?"…. well fer cryin’ out loud, could they be’ah bit more VAGUE… and in my mind, it’s ENTRAPMENT !  i mean, i ain’t real shy, but that shit used ta leave me in tha dirt ! but tha good news is…. i found’ah stock answer.  it accomplishes two things.  it "gets ya off tha hook" and it answers ALL them dumb questions and once used 2 or more times, that "what’s yer sign" dude/dudette gets’ah big fat clue that they’re annoyin’. "i’m an opportunist.  if whatever’s on muh plate looks good, i take/do it… if it doesn’t, i leave it be" sounds real goofy, but then agin…….  it works.

Hey was playing the above around in my head and imagining a sort of shrugging "hey, whatever floats your boat" reaction. Also it seems to roll of the tongue pretty well. Thanks for the great ideas!

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I don’t have social anxiety per se, mine tends toward other things, and lately I’m pretty well medicated, so I don’t really have a whole lotta anxiety.  I do know what it feels like though. I always find that social situations are MUCH easier if you make it a sort of "project" to find out as much as you can about the person you’re talking to.  Travel is an excellent answer to the "hobbies" question, because you can talk with the person about where you’ve been, then ask them about where they’ve been, and a zillion other things about what happened while they were there.

I hadn’t thought of travel… that sounds like a good neutral topic. Generally commonalities emerge during these conversations, and suddenly it’s not that "trapped" thing.  Some people, of course, are simply not good at talking to others, or don’t want to be there, etc. and you will only get so far, but generally it can be at least kept friendly and you can politely excuse yourself.

The politely excusing yourself part.. that I find hard. Gotta find a way to exit.. Generally if you express as much interest as possible in the person you’re speaking with, it’s at least going to go "ok", and sometimes can go quite well.  If you’ve got really bad social anxiety then these little "tips and tricks" are not sufficient, obviously, and treatment should commence, if it has not already.  It can be made much better and the psych community has done a fair amount of study re. therapy techniques and meds which treat this problem. There’s a good audio-book called ‘how to work a room’.  For ten bucks it could possibly help you and I can’t imagine that it could hurt anything.

I will check it out. Thanks  : )

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"that was a long, boring post" Actually I thought parts of it were quite funny.  Keep on rockin’ girl. (stolen from Michelle Shocked) G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone else have social anxiety? I find even the simplest conversation excruciating. Usually it’s a variation of (something like) "What brings you here?" or "What do you like to do for fun?" OH GOD !  i don’t have social anxiety (i don’t think) but i HATE those questions… like "what do you like to do?" or "what do you do for fun?"…. well fer cryin’ out loud, could they be’ah bit more VAGUE… and in my mind, it’s ENTRAPMENT !  i mean, i ain’t real shy, but that shit used ta leave me in tha dirt ! but tha good news is…. i found’ah stock answer.  it accomplishes two things.  it "gets ya off tha hook" and it answers ALL them dumb questions and once used 2 or more times, that "what’s yer sign" dude/dudette gets’ah big fat clue that they’re annoyin’. "i’m an opportunist.  if whatever’s on muh plate looks good, i take/do it… if it doesn’t, i leave it be" sounds real goofy, but then agin…….  it works. it works with anything…..such as: "what’s do you do in yer spare time?" "what’s yer religion?"  (well, i usually say "tanyaism" ta that, but still) "what are yer interests?" "are you bi?"  (god, yes, they STILL ask that !) sumthin’… i’ll get sexual".. but tha other works just as well… ya don’t get as much free shit tho. "what do ya do for fun?" "what are your goals in life?" (of course i generally say "what life?") but still… tha "opportunist" suggestion works quite well. "what are yer favorite things?" tha list goes on, i won’t get inta my OWN snippy retorts cuz they ain’t real cool… and are customized for my own freakazoid personality. OH !  i gotta tell ya one……. "is that a REAL tattoo?"  ……. "nah, it’s just motivation for sum dude ta slam my face into a pillow". (muh tat’s on muh shoulders… if you don’t have one?  please… get one on yer lower back or SUMthin !) ok.. two….   "are those your nails?"   ……. "no, they’re yours" or … "tell me about your kids"…..  "well…. (don’t tell, but it ain’t true that mothers don’t drown their kids at birth… shhhhhhhh)"  .i don’t have kids so it’s all good. never worn make-up…. da YOU look like that WITH make-up? ::shivers::" okokok… stick ta "i’m an opportunist"… it even works with "tell me bout yer kids"… "i’m an opportunist, if they look good to me that day, i’ll take em… if not?  they’re their Dad’s" "I’M AN OPPORTUNIST" will get ya thru everything in life.  trust belle. …. I answer their query, and they’re still looking at me expectantly, like they hope I will add something. you COULD say sumthin’ like…. "so tell me about yer heartbreak of psoriasis" or "shut up, yer borin’ me with me… and ’stock’ questions make me vomit" whacha see" is’ah great line! I feel the heat of their eye-contact and wish they would pick up the ball again but they usually don’t… their eyes are burning into my soul. Then is the awkward moment of not knowing where to look – OK I’m "done speaking" now, please stop staring as if you wish I would add more. (ya ever think of just sayin that?)  "stop starin’ at me as if yer expectin’ more, i ain’t here for yer amusement……. or were ya just lookin’ deeply inta my eyes in hopes of a fast fuck?  if so, ::whisperin:: look closer" they hate that, tho. The rhythm of the convo is disrupted, and at this point they either ask me what’s the matter or just sit and stare, transfixed. you could put that ball back in their court.  "sooooooo, how’s it hangin’, white boy?"  or sumthin’ i consider humorous/tactical. It’s a hell I can’t even describe…. not 3 minutes into human interaction and I feel terribly trapped, as if I’m in a box. ask em "what do you think of jesus?"  whatever their answer?  "WOW ! ya nailed THAT one !" ….."and jesus DID pay for our sins, now can we JUST get our MONEY’S WORTH?" or tell’ah dumb joke…. seriously. "did ya know you can never starve ta death in tha desert b’cuz’ah tha SAND WHICH IS there?" DUNK’M even if ya like em, they’ll think yer a pure, unadulterated d-lite ! whadda ya do for fun?  "i adopt animals, (dead or alive), i have faith in humanity, (dead or alive), i wanna be a rocket scientist, i love my dog, my parents, and that ‘for the every day days" box’ah 40 tampons…and these staples in my gut are KILLIN’ ME…’centerfold joke, yanno’…. then i go solve world hunger, then it’s back to tha daily grind…. and you?" "what do you do?"  oh, i got tha PERFECT answers ta that lil slice’ah non-heaven….. "yer friend… and you?  whadda YOU do?" "when people’re watchin?" "smoke crack" "come to muh window…  and you tell me <winkaroonie" "i’m do pathological lying… believe THAT?" "neighborhood watch" "only muh parole officer knows fer sure <wink" "on ‘lesbian night’ or what?" "watch American Idol and wish every guy i talked to was Simon Cowell….  and don’t gimme no ‘paula abdul shit’… it’s too easy. don’t appear easy, it grosses me out" "not you <sweet demure smile" "well, since mama told me not ta cum, i manufacture chastity belts" "i try like HELL ta control this itching, even tho they SAY there is no cure" "i’m a professional bulemic… wanna see?" "i’m'ah crotch-watcher" or stick with tha "i’m an opportunist" line. "twat did ya say?  i cunt HEAR you, i must have an ear inFUCKshun…. i rectum i better get to tha DICKtor… maybe he can "finger" it out." but the "opportunist" line? it’s so very safe. the ball DEFINITELY goes back in their court. you’ll generally hear "uhhhh, ooooooo kkkkk, can’t argue with that’n" GOD, that was a long, boring post. but then agin… I’M AN OPPORTUNIST ! xoxoxoxoxo ~tanya

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone else have social anxiety? I find even the simplest conversation excruciating. Usually it’s a variation of (something like) "What brings you here?" or "What do you like to do for fun?" OH GOD !  i don’t have social anxiety (i don’t think) but i HATE those questions… like "what do you like to do?" or "what do you do for fun?"…. well fer cryin’ out loud, could they be’ah bit more VAGUE… and in my mind, it’s ENTRAPMENT !  i mean, i ain’t real shy, but that shit used ta leave me in tha dirt ! but tha good news is…. i found’ah stock answer.  it accomplishes two things.  it "gets ya off tha hook" and it answers ALL them dumb questions and once used 2 or more times, that "what’s yer sign" dude/dudette gets’ah big fat clue that they’re annoyin’.

Etc.etc. Hilarious! This one is a keeper and goes into my *Tanya* map. Philip (who has a *Tanya* map) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "i’m an opportunist.  if whatever’s on muh plate looks good, i take/do it… if it doesn’t, i leave it be" sounds real goofy, but then agin…….  it works. it works with anything…..such as: "what’s do you do in yer spare time?" "what’s yer religion?"  (well, i usually say "tanyaism" ta that, but still) "what are yer interests?" "are you bi?"  (god, yes, they STILL ask that !) sumthin’… i’ll get sexual".. but tha other works just as well… ya don’t get as much free shit tho. "what do ya do for fun?" "what are your goals in life?" (of course i generally say "what life?")  but still… tha "opportunist" suggestion works quite well. "what are yer favorite things?" tha list goes on, i won’t get inta my OWN snippy retorts cuz they ain’t real cool… and are customized for my own freakazoid personality. OH !  i gotta tell ya one……. "is that a REAL tattoo?"  ……. "nah, it’s just motivation for sum dude ta slam my face into a pillow".  (muh tat’s on muh shoulders… if you don’t have one?  please… get one on yer lower back or SUMthin !) ok.. two….   "are those your nails?"   ……. "no, they’re yours" or … "tell me about your kids"…..  "well…. (don’t tell, but it ain’t true that mothers don’t drown their kids at birth… shhhhhhhh)"   .i don’t have kids so it’s all good. never worn make-up…. da YOU look like that WITH make-up? ::shivers::" okokok… stick ta "i’m an opportunist"… it even works with "tell me bout yer kids"… "i’m an opportunist, if they look good to me that day, i’ll take em… if not?  they’re their Dad’s" "I’M AN OPPORTUNIST" will get ya thru everything in life.  trust belle.  …. I answer their query, and they’re still looking at me expectantly, like they hope I will add something. you COULD say sumthin’ like…. "so tell me about yer heartbreak of psoriasis" or "shut up, yer borin’ me with me… and ’stock’ questions make me vomit" whacha see" is’ah great line! I feel the heat of their eye-contact and wish they would pick up the ball again but they usually don’t… their eyes are burning into my soul. Then is the awkward moment of not knowing where to look – OK I’m "done speaking" now, please stop staring as if you wish I would add more. (ya ever think of just sayin that?)  "stop starin’ at me as if yer expectin’ more, i ain’t here for yer amusement……. or were ya just lookin’ deeply inta my eyes in hopes of a fast fuck?  if so, ::whisperin:: look closer" they hate that, tho. The rhythm of the convo is disrupted, and at this point they either ask me what’s the matter or just sit and stare, transfixed. you could put that ball back in their court.  "sooooooo, how’s it hangin’, white boy?"  or sumthin’ i consider humorous/tactical. It’s a hell I can’t even describe…. not 3 minutes into human interaction and I feel terribly trapped, as if I’m in a box. ask em "what do you think of jesus?"  whatever their answer?  "WOW ! ya nailed THAT one !" ….."and jesus DID pay for our sins, now can we JUST get our MONEY’S WORTH?" or tell’ah dumb joke…. seriously. "did ya know you can never starve ta death in tha desert b’cuz’ah tha SAND WHICH IS there?" DUNK’M even if ya like em, they’ll think yer a pure, unadulterated d-lite ! whadda ya do for fun?  "i adopt animals, (dead or alive), i have faith in humanity, (dead or alive), i wanna be a rocket scientist, i love my dog, my parents, and that ‘for the every day days" box’ah 40 tampons…and these staples in my gut are KILLIN’ ME…’centerfold joke, yanno’…. then i go solve world hunger, then it’s back to tha daily grind…. and you?" "what do you do?"  oh, i got tha PERFECT answers ta that lil slice’ah non-heaven….. "yer friend… and you?  whadda YOU do?" "when people’re watchin?" "smoke crack" "come to muh window…  and you tell me <winkaroonie" "i’m do pathological lying… believe THAT?" "neighborhood watch" "only muh parole officer knows fer sure <wink" "on ‘lesbian night’ or what?" "watch American Idol and wish every guy i talked to was Simon Cowell….  and don’t gimme no ‘paula abdul shit’… it’s too easy. don’t appear easy, it grosses me out" "not you <sweet demure smile" "well, since mama told me not ta cum, i manufacture chastity belts" "i try like HELL ta control this itching, even tho they SAY there is no cure" "i’m a professional bulemic… wanna see?" "i’m'ah crotch-watcher" or stick with tha "i’m an opportunist" line. "twat did ya say?  i cunt HEAR you, i must have an ear inFUCKshun…. i rectum i better get to tha DICKtor… maybe he can "finger" it out." but the "opportunist" line? it’s so very safe. the ball DEFINITELY goes back in their court. you’ll generally hear "uhhhh, ooooooo kkkkk, can’t argue with that’n" GOD, that was a long, boring post. but then agin… I’M AN OPPORTUNIST ! xoxoxoxoxo ~tanya

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Anyone else have social anxiety? I find even the simplest conversation excruciating. Usually it’s a variation of (something like) "What brings you here?" or "What do you like to do for fun?"

OH GOD !  i don’t have social anxiety (i don’t think) but i HATE those questions… like "what do you like to do?" or "what do you do for fun?"…. well fer cryin’ out loud, could they be’ah bit more VAGUE… and in my mind, it’s ENTRAPMENT !  i mean, i ain’t real shy, but that shit used ta leave me in tha dirt ! but tha good news is…. i found’ah stock answer.  it accomplishes two things.  it "gets ya off tha hook" and it answers ALL them dumb questions and once used 2 or more times, that "what’s yer sign" dude/dudette gets’ah big fat clue that they’re annoyin’. "i’m an opportunist.  if whatever’s on muh plate looks good, i take/do it… if it doesn’t, i leave it be" sounds real goofy, but then agin…….  it works. it works with anything…..such as: "what’s do you do in yer spare time?" "what’s yer religion?"  (well, i usually say "tanyaism" ta that, but still) "what are yer interests?" "are you bi?"  (god, yes, they STILL ask that !) sumthin’… i’ll get sexual".. but tha other works just as well… ya don’t get as much free shit tho. "what do ya do for fun?" "what are your goals in life?" (of course i generally say "what life?")  but still… tha "opportunist" suggestion works quite well. "what are yer favorite things?" tha list goes on, i won’t get inta my OWN snippy retorts cuz they ain’t real cool… and are customized for my own freakazoid personality. OH !  i gotta tell ya one……. "is that a REAL tattoo?"  ……. "nah, it’s just motivation for sum dude ta slam my face into a pillow".  (muh tat’s on muh shoulders… if you don’t have one?  please… get one on yer lower back or SUMthin !) ok.. two….   "are those your nails?"   ……. "no, they’re yours" or … "tell me about your kids"…..  "well…. (don’t tell, but it ain’t true that mothers don’t drown their kids at birth… shhhhhhhh)"   .i don’t have kids so it’s all good. never worn make-up…. da YOU look like that WITH make-up? ::shivers::" okokok… stick ta "i’m an opportunist"… it even works with "tell me bout yer kids"… "i’m an opportunist, if they look good to me that day, i’ll take em… if not?  they’re their Dad’s" "I’M AN OPPORTUNIST" will get ya thru everything in life.  trust belle.  …. I answer their query, and they’re still looking at me expectantly, like they hope I will add something.

you COULD say sumthin’ like…. "so tell me about yer heartbreak of psoriasis" or "shut up, yer borin’ me with me… and ’stock’ questions make me vomit" whacha see" is’ah great line! I feel the heat of their eye-contact and wish they would pick up the ball again but they usually don’t… their eyes are burning into my soul. Then is the awkward moment of not knowing where to look – OK I’m "done speaking" now, please stop staring as if you wish I would add more.

(ya ever think of just sayin that?)  "stop starin’ at me as if yer expectin’ more, i ain’t here for yer amusement……. or were ya just lookin’ deeply inta my eyes in hopes of a fast fuck?  if so, ::whisperin:: look closer" they hate that, tho. The rhythm of the convo is disrupted, and at this point they either ask me what’s the matter or just sit and stare, transfixed.

you could put that ball back in their court.  "sooooooo, how’s it hangin’, white boy?"  or sumthin’ i consider humorous/tactical. It’s a hell I can’t even describe…. not 3 minutes into human interaction and I feel terribly trapped, as if I’m in a box.

ask em "what do you think of jesus?"  whatever their answer?  "WOW ! ya nailed THAT one !" ….."and jesus DID pay for our sins, now can we JUST get our MONEY’S WORTH?" or tell’ah dumb joke…. seriously. "did ya know you can never starve ta death in tha desert b’cuz’ah tha SAND WHICH IS there?" DUNK’M even if ya like em, they’ll think yer a pure, unadulterated d-lite ! whadda ya do for fun?  "i adopt animals, (dead or alive), i have faith in humanity, (dead or alive), i wanna be a rocket scientist, i love my dog, my parents, and that ‘for the every day days" box’ah 40 tampons…and these staples in my gut are KILLIN’ ME…’centerfold joke, yanno’…. then i go solve world hunger, then it’s back to tha daily grind…. and you?" "what do you do?"  oh, i got tha PERFECT answers ta that lil slice’ah non-heaven….. "yer friend… and you?  whadda YOU do?" "when people’re watchin?" "smoke crack" "come to muh window…  and you tell me <winkaroonie" "i’m do pathological lying… believe THAT?" "neighborhood watch" "only muh parole officer knows fer sure <wink" "on ‘lesbian night’ or what?" "watch American Idol and wish every guy i talked to was Simon Cowell….  and don’t gimme no ‘paula abdul shit’… it’s too easy. don’t appear easy, it grosses me out" "not you <sweet demure smile" "well, since mama told me not ta cum, i manufacture chastity belts" "i try like HELL ta control this itching, even tho they SAY there is no cure" "i’m a professional bulemic… wanna see?" "i’m'ah crotch-watcher" or stick with tha "i’m an opportunist" line. "twat did ya say?  i cunt HEAR you, i must have an ear inFUCKshun…. i rectum i better get to tha DICKtor… maybe he can "finger" it out." but the "opportunist" line? it’s so very safe. the ball DEFINITELY goes back in their court. you’ll generally hear "uhhhh, ooooooo kkkkk, can’t argue with that’n" GOD, that was a long, boring post. but then agin… I’M AN OPPORTUNIST ! xoxoxoxoxo ~tanya

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Anyone else have social anxiety? I find even the simplest conversation excruciating. Usually it’s a variation of (something like) "What brings you here?" or "What do you like to do for fun?" …. I answer their query, and they’re still looking at me expectantly, like they hope I will add something. I feel the heat of their eye-contact and wish they would pick up the ball again but they usually don’t… their eyes are burning into my soul. Then is the awkward moment of not knowing where to look – OK I’m "done speaking" now, please stop staring as if you wish I would add more. The rhythm of the convo is disrupted, and at this point they either ask me what’s the matter or just sit and stare, transfixed.  It’s a hell I can’t even describe…. not 3 minutes into human interaction and I feel terribly trapped, as if I’m in a box. Thank you for listening.

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I don’t have social anxiety per se, mine tends toward other things, and lately I’m pretty well medicated, so I don’t really have a whole lotta anxiety.  I do know what it feels like though. I always find that social situations are MUCH easier if you make it a sort of "project" to find out as much as you can about the person you’re talking to.  Travel is an excellent answer to the "hobbies" question, because you can talk with the person about where you’ve been, then ask them about where they’ve been, and a zillion other things about what happened while they were there.  Generally commonalities emerge during these conversations, and suddenly it’s not that "trapped" thing.  Some people, of course, are simply not good at talking to others, or don’t want to be there, etc. and you will only get so far, but generally it can be at least kept friendly and you can politely excuse yourself. Generally if you express as much interest as possible in the person you’re speaking with, it’s at least going to go "ok", and sometimes can go quite well.  If you’ve got really bad social anxiety then these little "tips and tricks" are not sufficient, obviously, and treatment should commence, if it has not already.  It can be made much better and the psych community has done a fair amount of study re. therapy techniques and meds which treat this problem. There’s a good audio-book called ‘how to work a room’.  For ten bucks it could possibly help you and I can’t imagine that it could hurt anything. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone else have social anxiety? I find even the simplest conversation excruciating. Usually it’s a variation of (something like) "What brings you here?" or "What do you like to do for fun?" …. I answer their query, and they’re still looking at me expectantly, like they hope I will add something. I feel the heat of their eye-contact and wish they would pick up the ball again but they usually don’t… their eyes are burning into my soul. Then is the awkward moment of not knowing where to look – OK I’m "done speaking" now, please stop staring as if you wish I would add more. The rhythm of the convo is disrupted, and at this point they either ask me what’s the matter or just sit and stare, transfixed.  It’s a hell I can’t even describe…. not 3 minutes into human interaction and I feel terribly trapped, as if I’m in a box. Thank you for listening.

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<elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:23105-432A0184-311@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net… > Damn, JV!!  That was one helluva doggy! > I’m surprised noone shot her ass up there. How was she with the bears? > You should have sent her over to the Lees’ house.  ahahahaha > Elmo

You don’t forget anything, do you? P.S. I want photos too!!!!! Mom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mom wrote: > <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:23105-432A0184-311@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net… >>Damn, JV!!  That was one helluva doggy! >>I’m surprised noone shot her ass up there. How was she with the bears? >>You should have sent her over to the Lees’ house.  ahahahaha >>Elmo > You don’t forget anything, do you? > P.S. I want photos too!!!!! > Mom >>http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile >>http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

I’m with Mom, I would like to see the pics as well, they don’t come through with my mail reader. Dwight

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At least you don’t have the Lee’s bothering you anymore.  No more helicoptors and police cars.  :-) Elmo /////// Well Danny invited her in as the kids just loved her, and she really liked kids and slept on a bed with one before I got here. I told him to keep her out as she is so sneaky especially around dinner time. Well crazy Danny looks over and Virus is eating their Taco dinner, as a fool he is he grabbed his gun, Virus took the entire screen down to escape, in the process. he shoots Barney in the leg out side and his floor. Some people are just not good enough company for dogs. Barney survived and we kept the dogs away from him ever after. Virus was long gone in 96. We never seen no bears back in 96 like we do now days. Just skunks she detested skunks.

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I know lots of you have animals that you love a lot, and may have room for one more.  Maybe you were thinking of getting an animal companion for yourself  or the animal you already have anyway.  I know that if anything were to happen to me, knowing that my animals were taken care of would be one of my first priorities. …Dee have been asked to help: A women in Ct. is trying to help the animals of Jackson, Mississippi. Please read this over carefully, time is running out for the displaced, lost, confused, stray and former pets  who had homes and owners. There are over 200 dogs and 150 cats so far that are from Hurricane Katrina.  For the time being, they have all been taken to one *temporary* shelter.  The FurAngels group has been assured that, other than being frightened, confused, and hungry, all of these animals have been vaccinated and are in good health. there are people at the shelter who are ready and waiting to take these animals to ANYWHERE they need to go, I repeat, they will transport them ANYWHERE. I understand that all of us are overloaded.  I myself have 5 cats and a dog in a two bedroom apartment, all of which were abandoned, strays, or rescues, but these animals are all homeless.  There are dogs and cats of every size, shape, color, and breed now left alone because their owner have been displaced or have died. They can take care of the animals for a while longer, but not for too long.  TIME IS RUNNING OUT for these animals, and many will have to be EUTHANISED if they do not find homes soon. Please forward this message to whomever you can.  If you can help, contact Lydia V. directly at *any time* REMEMBER, THESE ANIMALS WILL BE TRANSPORTED TO YOU (They are trying to send some photos). Donations in any form are also desperately needed for the animals – money, dog or cat food, etc. Contact Lydia V. at 203-515-3024 (Cell) Home 203-227-5308 Also try contacting 1-800-SAVEAPET.  They’re in need of foster homes and people who are willing to adopt. Dee

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Please consider giving one of the displaced animal victims of the hurricane a home before they are euthanized. Dee

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Satire helps the mind survive intact, by distancing, but objectifying and stating. But the facts are deadly. Action must follow satire.

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Satire dislodges the numbed indifference, The resistance, The fatigued Action potential of neurons that won’t fire.

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Brain records verbal memory, and nonverbal experience. If there is a conflict, the brain haed problems. Other people’s lies, their "narratives" are in conflict with real abuse. That cause dissassociation. That causes compensatory defenses,  that may become overburdened.

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"A relationship with a spiritual being Can stand as witness to what is just and unjust. For persons who have experienced hidden abuse Or injustice, The query ~ ‘What in this situation do God’s eyes see That no human eyes can see?’ Constitutes a question of justice. When no person can know and understand, God is available as witness to the truth. When all potential observers are excluded or deceived, The awareness of an omniscient witness May make the unbearable situation Bearable." ~ James L. Griffith and Melissa Elliot Griffith, ~ From "Encountering the Sacred in Psychotherapy: How to talk with people about their spiritual lives" *

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That is trauma. That is clearly stated in current literature, with solid scientific data, eg MRI mapping studdies.

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No, I never said that.

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Keep your fucking dick out of my face.

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Thanks for all your help. Now I want nothing to do with you. I will not even open your emails. I will not respond to your request for help. I will not answer your reasonable questions.

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I will watch you flounder, flail, sink for more than a year. I will make you learn a very hard lesson, if you survive, the hardest way I can imagine possible. I will deny you te dignity of a response, so I will nnot be accused of lying. I will not answer your cry for help. I will humilate you in the process. Not my YOB!

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I will call you in the phone, drain you for information, and laugh at you. I will subsequently lie, when questioned.

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I will later say, I did not know. I will later say, you never told me. I will not, during this time,  offer you the dignity of honesty. I will feed your mind with delusions, based on omissions or distortions. I will then call you unstable. I will blame you for not standing up for yourself. I will not intervene, when you are compromised, even if I have information that may save you from danger, even if it is my professional obligation to do so.

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I will bully and intimidate you because I am a liscenced professional and you are not. Because no will believe you without my stamp of approval.

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I will allow an institution, such as NYU Medical Center, to take advantage of you, even though happily volunteered your time and all your best enthusiasm and intentions.

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Almost everyone betrayed me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Be sure to get accurate the records, if you want to take postive, decisive steps. I was told to wait. That only made matters worse for me, in all respects. Fraudulent records made matters much worse, from several sources. Seek EARLY legal represenation, and appoint a health advocate who is smart and sophisticated. Tell your lawyer.

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Who ya gonna trust? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question: You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes on you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? Democrat’s Answer: Well, that’s not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids?  Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation?  Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?  Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children? Is it possible he would be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior. This is all so confusing! ! I need to debate this with some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus. Republican’s Answer:  ……BANG! Southern Republican’s Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click…..(sounds of reloading). BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy!  Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?" SENDERS NOTE: Not sure where you stand, but I am somewhere between BANG! BANG! BANG!….and "BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!"  Certainly the second clip is overdramatic. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You condemn my action. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You pledge heightened vigilance. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You form committees Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You begin studies. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You assign oversight. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You wear an overcoat. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You turn the other cheek. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You offer to negotiate Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You pray to god. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You erect memorials. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You petition for surcease. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You beg compensation. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You stockpile medical supplies Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You adopt a position. Hey stooopid – I punch you in the nose. You bleed and bleed and bleed. Hey stooopid – you punch me in the nose. I fucking bust your ass and mutilate you for life on the spot. Are ya gonna do it again, git? – Al Schwartz Personal experience suggests that decisive retaliation trumps political correctness and with better results.  I’ve seen more difficult decisions made by health care workers.  With about as much time.  And no risk to themselves. m

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Facts The strongest muscle in the human body is the tongue. Until 2004, it was illegal for psychiatrists to stalk their patients online, using performance enhancing drugs

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~ * Six Benefits of Improved Resilience, Gained from Busting Taught By Ghosts ~ One… Extends financial remuneration expectations For medical malpractice. Two… Increases energy and stamina drag out every stinking detail, denial, mendacious fabrication, neglectful miss ~ forgotten emergency  and pubic hair reference since 1999. Three… Increases self ~ esteem and determination to say !HELL NO! 1000/hour and willingness to swallow or tolerate bullshit abuse. Four… Improves quality of revenge, through legal means. Five… Aids suaveness, savings, and savoir ~ flavor power. Six… Reduces silliness, fortifies meanness.

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[Seiden Barre] ~ * Today’s Population * ~ 87 % Do not expect respect, redress, dress for dinner,  or legal compliance. 59 % Do not received balanced intellectual stimulation or sexual stimulation. 30 % Are ignored, bored, or afraid to roar. 24 % Stoke bagpipes unethically. 11 % Will suffer a broken heart and die thusly. Census Bureau

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today, Little Miss and I went to PetSmart. She’s been restless for the last couple of days, and when she’s like that, it means she needs a PetSmart fix. She usually just sits in my arms while I push the cart with my stomach. Sometimes she’ll sit on my shoulder, and lately she’s been all too willing to ride in the cat, sitting atop my purse. All kinds of pet lovers go to PetSmart, which makes it great for a cat who needs an attention fix. It’s the one place I know where all the kids and adults want to pet her. She sits there in all her little princessy glory and soaks in the attention. When it’s time to check out, she’ll sniff the things on the counter or just sit and watch everyone, who comes up and says something like "it’s a cat."  They’ll want to know what kind she is, how old she is, and can they pet her. The one thing Little Miss usually does not do in PetSmart is walk. Although she’s on her harness and leash the whole time we’re in the store, she doesn’t like to walk. There are too many dogs and too many tall people, and a little kitty could get trampled on down there. Today, she walked!  Not far, but she walked. She walked about one fourth of one aisle.  I am so proud of her!  She got extra scritches for being one brave kitty.  It was really busy today, but she took it in stride. Now that we’re home again, she is calm and happy again.  I think she just needed her attention fix for the week. She is a dear little thing. –LMM (Little Missy’s Mom), proud cat mom of the brave Little Miss.

I find that amazing!   MLB

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On a side note, one of the PetCo’s often has adoption stations for retired Greyhound racers.  They are the friendliest dogs and not really that big; if I had room for a big dog run I’d surely adopt one.

I remember a program on Animal Planet about a group, I think in the SW US somewhere, devoted to finding homes for retired racers. (Unfortunately, retirement for racing greyhounds all to often means being put down.) From what I remember, they usually turn into big laidback lapdogs, though they retain the love for running and you have to watch letting them off a lead as they may take off and not come when called. — Steve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On a side note, one of the PetCo’s often has adoption stations for retired Greyhound racers.  They are the friendliest dogs and not really that big; if I had room for a big dog run I’d surely adopt one. I remember a program on Animal Planet about a group, I think in the SW US somewhere, devoted to finding homes for retired racers. (Unfortunately, retirement for racing greyhounds all to often means being put down.) From what I remember, they usually turn into big laidback lapdogs, though they retain the love for running and you have to watch letting them off a lead as they may take off and not come when called.

They’re still looking for that mechanical rabbit!  This is why they’d have to have a good-size dog run or a large fenced yard.  There is a dog track just across the Mississippi River in West Memphis, AR, so there are a lot of retired greyhounds to be adopted around here.  The ones I’ve seen were only about 40 pounds, which is really a medium-size dog when you think about the size of Shepherds, Labradors, etc.  They had the sweetest temperaments. Yep, I can see one becoming a lap dog, easily. Jill

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aw, you must be so proud of Little Miss. She sounds like one smart kitty. Lily & her mama Jazz, RB — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today, Little Miss and I went to PetSmart. She’s been restless for the last couple of days, and when she’s like that, it means she needs a PetSmart fix. She usually just sits in my arms while I push the cart with my stomach. Sometimes she’ll sit on my shoulder, and lately she’s been all too willing to ride in the cat, sitting atop my purse. All kinds of pet lovers go to PetSmart, which makes it great for a cat who needs an attention fix. It’s the one place I know where all the kids and adults want to pet her. She sits there in all her little princessy glory and soaks in the attention. When it’s time to check out, she’ll sniff the things on the counter or just sit and watch everyone, who comes up and says something like "it’s a cat."  They’ll want to know what kind she is, how old she is, and can they pet her. The one thing Little Miss usually does not do in PetSmart is walk. Although she’s on her harness and leash the whole time we’re in the store, she doesn’t like to walk. There are too many dogs and too many tall people, and a little kitty could get trampled on down there. Today, she walked!  Not far, but she walked. She walked about one fourth of one aisle.  I am so proud of her!  She got extra scritches for being one brave kitty.  It was really busy today, but she took it in stride. Now that we’re home again, she is calm and happy again.  I think she just needed her attention fix for the week. She is a dear little thing. –LMM (Little Missy’s Mom), proud cat mom of the brave Little Miss.

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The most interesting animal I saw in PetSmart (except, of course, for all the beautiful, fascinating cats! :-) )was a yellow and white snake that a guy was carrying in a boot. Another time I saw someone with a huge Great Dane by the display where they have open bins of dog biscuits.  Unbeknownst to the owner, the dog reached in and licked biscuits in each of the bins as it walked by!  I made a mental note never to buy biscuits from those bins (should I ever think of buying them as gifts, of course, not for Sundance and Rebecca!). Sandy

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The most interesting animal I saw in PetSmart (except, of course, for all the beautiful, fascinating cats! :-) )was a yellow and white snake that a guy was carrying in a boot. Another time I saw someone with a huge Great Dane by the display where they have open bins of dog biscuits.  Unbeknownst to the owner, the dog reached in and licked biscuits in each of the bins as it walked by!  I made a mental note never to buy biscuits from those bins (should I ever think of buying them as gifts, of course, not for Sundance and Rebecca!). Sandy

I don’t have a PetSmart nearby but PetCo lets people bring in their pets.  I was looking for cat treats when a woman brought in a Jack Russell terrier (terror) pup to pick out a collar.  The thing was practically bouncing off the walls, but it was so cute! Persia would freak if I took her to a shop that had other cats and dogs in it… she’d think she was at the vet. On a side note, one of the PetCo’s often has adoption stations for retired Greyhound racers.  They are the friendliest dogs and not really that big; if I had room for a big dog run I’d surely adopt one. Jill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today, Little Miss and I went to PetSmart. She’s been restless for the last couple of days, and when she’s like that, it means she needs a PetSmart fix. She usually just sits in my arms while I push the cart with my stomach. Sometimes she’ll sit on my shoulder, and lately she’s been all too willing to ride in the cat, sitting atop my purse. All kinds of pet lovers go to PetSmart, which makes it great for a cat who needs an attention fix. It’s the one place I know where all the kids and adults want to pet her. She sits there in all her little princessy glory and soaks in the attention. When it’s time to check out, she’ll sniff the things on the counter or just sit and watch everyone, who comes up and says something like "it’s a cat."  They’ll want to know what kind she is, how old she is, and can they pet her. The one thing Little Miss usually does not do in PetSmart is walk. Although she’s on her harness and leash the whole time we’re in the store, she doesn’t like to walk. There are too many dogs and too many tall people, and a little kitty could get trampled on down there. Today, she walked!  Not far, but she walked. She walked about one fourth of one aisle.  I am so proud of her!  She got extra scritches for being one brave kitty.  It was really busy today, but she took it in stride. Now that we’re home again, she is calm and happy again.  I think she just needed her attention fix for the week. She is a dear little thing. –LMM (Little Missy’s Mom), proud cat mom of the brave Little Miss.

SHe sure is a character!

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Today, Little Miss and I went to PetSmart. She’s been restless for the last couple of days, and when she’s like that, it means she needs a PetSmart fix. She usually just sits in my arms while I push the cart with my stomach. Sometimes she’ll sit on my shoulder, and lately she’s been all too willing to ride in the cat, sitting atop my purse. All kinds of pet lovers go to PetSmart, which makes it great for a cat who needs an attention fix. It’s the one place I know where all the kids and adults want to pet her. She sits there in all her little princessy glory and soaks in the attention. When it’s time to check out, she’ll sniff the things on the counter or just sit and watch everyone, who comes up and says something like "it’s a cat."  They’ll want to know what kind she is, how old she is, and can they pet her. The one thing Little Miss usually does not do in PetSmart is walk. Although she’s on her harness and leash the whole time we’re in the store, she doesn’t like to walk. There are too many dogs and too many tall people, and a little kitty could get trampled on down there. Today, she walked!  Not far, but she walked. She walked about one fourth of one aisle.  I am so proud of her!  She got extra scritches for being one brave kitty.  It was really busy today, but she took it in stride. Now that we’re home again, she is calm and happy again.  I think she just needed her attention fix for the week. She is a dear little thing. –LMM (Little Missy’s Mom), proud cat mom of the brave Little Miss.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet.  We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant Hugs, CatNipped

Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful. Here’s what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it was a dog w/puppies. I told the lady there was this wonderful program at the humane society where they were spaying dogs for free. (a big lie.) I’d be glad to get her dog enrolled. I then went to the vet, and paid for the spay. I let the vet in on the lie so he could cover for me. (oh what a tangled web). Then I told the lady all the paperwork was taken care of and all she had to do was drop the dog off at Dr. So-and-so’s. This was a couple that DH used to work with. They had a pekingese-looking mix. I swear that dog had so many puppes over the last few years and she was looking old, and still having puppies. I knew they were much too prideful to let somebody (us) pay for it. I wonder if there’s any way you can talk them into spaying the mother cat. The kitten situation is bad, but that mama is just going to crank out another litter in a few months. Sherry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful. Here’s what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it was a dog w/puppies. I told the lady there was this wonderful program at the humane society where they were spaying dogs for free. (a big lie.) I’d be glad to get her dog enrolled. I then went to the vet, and paid for the spay. I let the vet in on the lie so he could cover for me. (oh what a tangled web). Then I told the lady all the paperwork was taken care of and all she had to do was drop the dog off at Dr. So-and-so’s. This was a couple that DH used to work with. They had a pekingese-looking mix. I swear that dog had so many puppes over the last few years and she was looking old, and still having puppies. I knew they were much too prideful to let somebody (us) pay for it. I wonder if there’s any way you can talk them into spaying the mother cat. The kitten situation is bad, but that mama is just going to crank out another litter in a few months. Sherry How sneaky of you!  I love it :) What our shelter used to be able to do is spay/vacc and adopt back a momma cat if someone surrendered the kittens.  We can’t anymore due to shelter politics, so we have to refer to an outside s/n group. On occasion if someone has a litter and they insist on giving them out to their friends, we will take in the litter s/n vacc them, and then have the friends adopt from us.  It’s not totally within our policy to do that, but IMHO it’s best to get those kittens s/n and break the cycle. -Kelly

Hey, it was sneakiness in a good cause, Sherry. =o) After all everyone concerned benefitted, and who was harmed? Nobody!  You followed your conscience and the vet got paid.  You did a good day’s work for the dog, since she won’t be a source of more unwanted puppies in the future.  And the owner’s feathers weren’t ruffled out of place. Animal welfare and future health  is worth a bent truth, or two, I think. Melissa

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I’m so very sorry to hear that. Lots of purrs and best wishes for momma and her kittens to find their onetruehomes with people who care, — Polonca & Soncek

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet.  We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant Hugs, CatNipped

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and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who want to feed them to snakes, etc.

I guess that’s sad but true. Unfortunately, too many people equate free with worthless. Course, if Lori’s neighbors aren’t taking care of their momma cat, they propabably can’t be bothered to try to look after the best interests of the little ones. I never even thought about it back when LB had her kittens so just gave them away. When it came time to find homes for Spot’s babies, having learned a little from this group, I printed up a "contract". I charged the adopter what it cost for shots and speutering at the local nonprofit clinic, and gave them a copy of the clinic’s services and prices. I agreed to refund the "cost" when they showed me documentation proving the little one had been "done". Next time I need to include a "no-declaw" paragraph, which I deglected to include this time. I suppose such a contract may not be legally enforceable, but at least it could weed out some, if not most, of the impulse adoptions. Only used the contract with Cali, though, since I figured I could trust Dr Haney, my regular vet, to take care of the three he either took home or placed. — Steve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and the Evil Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html

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<BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet.  We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes!

Yup – I can understand. I’d love to take in another rescue, but finances don’t allow it and it’s simply not fair to lower the care given to the ones already in your care to take on yet another. Sadly, we *can’t* do it all, we are only human with limited finances. Cheers, helen s

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major goes wrong physically, but to pay out of pocket for a pet that so often IS given away for free by folks who just want the pet to have a home isn’t something we could manage.  We also have a pet mouse gotten

I’m sorry, but if you cannot afford $25 for a kitten, can you really afford to take care of it? — Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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Catnipped, I sympathize with you and these kittens, but your responsibility is to your cats that you already have.  If you are scratching for money to take care of your own needs and the needs of the cats you already have, then it is not fair to ANYONE in the household to bring in another cat. Back in 2003, I thought we would have to give away the bitties because I couldn’t afford vet bills and more food–my job was ending 3 weeks after DP brought them home, and I had obligations to Smokey and Nox with the money I’d managed to save. The only reason we have the bitties is because DP got a big line of credit to pay for medical school and he sacrificed a few trips and nights out in order to spend the money on kitten care.   Those kittens are really his in so many ways. I now hope we don’t find any more orphan bits or stray Smokeys because we are treating our clowder in style, but it’ll be tight if we have a vet emergency. I purr that these kittens will find good homes.  Bast bless. –Fil

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who want to feed them to snakes, etc. I guess that’s sad but true. Unfortunately, too many people equate free with worthless. Course, if Lori’s neighbors aren’t taking care of their momma cat, they propabably can’t be bothered to try to look after the best interests of the little ones. I never even thought about it back when LB had her kittens so just gave them away. When it came time to find homes for Spot’s babies, having learned a little from this group, I printed up a "contract". I charged the adopter what it cost for shots and speutering at the local nonprofit clinic, and gave them a copy of the clinic’s services and prices. I agreed to refund the "cost" when they showed me documentation proving the little one had been "done". Next time I need to include a "no-declaw" paragraph, which I deglected to include this time. I suppose such a contract may not be legally enforceable, but at least it could weed out some, if not most, of the impulse adoptions. Only used the contract with Cali, though, since I figured I could trust Dr Haney, my regular vet, to take care of the three he either took home or placed. — Steve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and the Evil Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html

Perhaps not enforceable, but it sounds like a good, sensible and fair plan, Steve.  It also gives the prospective owners a good example of the importance of regular innoculations and health care for the  kittens.  And having to read through and sign a contract, and the possibility of getting their money back once they’ve done the responsible thing adds a certain attraction for them, and should weed out impulsive adoptions. Melissa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Warning: The following advice is not exactly ethical, or truthful. Here’s what I did recently with a situation close to yours, except it was a dog w/puppies. I told the lady there was this wonderful program at the humane society where they were spaying dogs for free. (a big lie.) I’d be glad to get her dog enrolled. I then went to the vet, and paid for the spay. I let the vet in on the lie so he could cover for me. (oh what a tangled web). Then I told the lady all the paperwork was taken care of and all she had to do was drop the dog off at Dr. So-and-so’s. This was a couple that DH used to work with. They had a pekingese-looking mix. I swear that dog had so many puppes over the last few years and she was looking old, and still having puppies. I knew they were much too prideful to let somebody (us) pay for it. I wonder if there’s any way you can talk them into spaying the mother cat. The kitten situation is bad, but that mama is just going to crank out another litter in a few months. Sherry

How sneaky of you!  I love it :) What our shelter used to be able to do is spay/vacc and adopt back a momma cat if someone surrendered the kittens.  We can’t anymore due to shelter politics, so we have to refer to an outside s/n group. On occasion if someone has a litter and they insist on giving them out to their friends, we will take in the litter s/n vacc them, and then have the friends adopt from us.  It’s not totally within our policy to do that, but IMHO it’s best to get those kittens s/n and break the cycle. -Kelly

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who want to feed them to snakes, etc. That’s not really fair though, many folks get "free" kittens and take VERY good care of them, myself being one of them.  Tygra was gotten from a girl i knew who had an unspayed kitty that had a litter, and Possum was gotten through a newspaper ad, the owner had a purebred himalayan female, and she snuck out and got herself preggers by a random cat.  I am grateful every day for the chance to love and care for these two wonderful cats, and they are far from free in the long run anyhow, what with the spaying/neutering and any other vet needs (luckily, ear mites was the worst we’ve had to deal with so far)  If i had had to pay to acquire these two wonderful cats, i wouldn’t have them, as my hubby doesn’t believe in buying living things and our income is fairly limited.  It’s enough to feed, buy litter, etc… and hope that nothing major goes wrong physically, but to pay out of pocket for a pet that so often IS given away for free by folks who just want the pet to have a home isn’t something we could manage.  We also have a pet mouse gotten from a girl i know who got a mouse pet and then found out she was preggers after acquiring her. Kristy

I hope it will be the fate of those kittens to be adopted by caring people such as yourself, Kristy, who will love and take good care of them.   I will have my three purr to Bast that that will happen.  And I’m sure other good cat parents have come by their kittens when a family advertised Free Kittens in the past. In less enlightened times in the 60’s and 70’s, my mom gave away a fair number of free kittens herself, and poor Luna had more litters than we should have let her have before we had her spayed. But… The thought of the short, miserable life and the terrifying, painful death those kittens  would experience at the hands of callous Pit Bull owners in the name of "training"  just makes me unbearably sad and angry. Even being taken to a shelter and eventually euthanized  would be a kinder end for them than that.  Careless cat and dog owners who won’t spay and neuter their animals are bad enough.  But Pit Bulls send ME off into rant land. Especially since two children have been attacked by pitbulls around where I live in the past month, one of them fatally. In the fatal case, the dogs were considered beloved family pets, but they just turned on the kid unexpectedly. (The mother used INCREDIBLY bad judgement, IMO, and has been charged with felony child endangerment.)  When will people learn that keeping aggressive attack dogs in a household with children or even in a densely populated neighborhood is a seriously BAD idea???    Don’t get me wrong, I am VERY fond of dogs who are friendly and well-behaved. My late friend Vee had a very gentle German Shepherd, and Mia and I were great friends. Vee’s grandchildren and great nieces and nephews adored Mia too, and there was never a problem with Mia being aggressive toward the kids, or toward anybody else.  I blame pitbull owners more than the dogs themselves for the dogs are what the humans made them. But still, some breeds of dogs ARE naturally more aggressive than others, and are not safe as pets, IMO.  There are too many risks involved. And where is the pleasure and companionship that SHOULD accompany dog ownership if the person is always wondering if Rover will lick their hand or tear it off at the wrist? I wouldn’t want to be around a dog like that for five minutes. All right… Rant mode off.  Sorry all.  I hope the new neighbors will at least put some thought into the prospective adopters of their kittens.  And I hope they did listen to you about spaying the mama kitty, Lori.  Sometimes, alas, we have to acknowledge our limits, of our financial resources if not our hearts. As much as you love your cats, you still have to think of such details as mortgages, utilities and groceries. No one of us can rescue all the cats in need in the world, or even at the local shelter no matter how much we might want to. You did what you could for that little mama cat  by talking to her owners, which is more than many people would have done.  If they’re thick-headed, it’s not for want of your trying to tell them there’s a better way to care for their animals. Melissa

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and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who want to feed them to snakes, etc.

That’s not really fair though, many folks get "free" kittens and take VERY good care of them, myself being one of them.  Tygra was gotten from a girl i knew who had an unspayed kitty that had a litter, and Possum was gotten through a newspaper ad, the owner had a purebred himalayan female, and she snuck out and got herself preggers by a random cat.  I am grateful every day for the chance to love and care for these two wonderful cats, and they are far from free in the long run anyhow, what with the spaying/neutering and any other vet needs (luckily, ear mites was the worst we’ve had to deal with so far)  If i had had to pay to acquire these two wonderful cats, i wouldn’t have them, as my hubby doesn’t believe in buying living things and our income is fairly limited.  It’s enough to feed, buy litter, etc… and hope that nothing major goes wrong physically, but to pay out of pocket for a pet that so often IS given away for free by folks who just want the pet to have a home isn’t something we could manage.  We also have a pet mouse gotten from a girl i know who got a mouse pet and then found out she was preggers after acquiring her. Kristy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet.  We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant

Idiots, idiots, idiots. <<<<Lori Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who want to feed them to snakes, etc.

I did.  I also printed out a bunch of copies of the spay/neuter/vaccination information from the Houston S.N.A.P. web site for them to give out with each kitten "sold".  Fed to snakes is one of the milder fates of free/cheap kittens here in Houston – they’re also used to "bait" pit bulls to teach them blood lust, sold to animal testing labs, etc.  I bent their ears for almost an hours, but they eyes glazed over and I could see the print-outs were headed for the nearest trash cans.  These people just don’t care! Hugs, CatNipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet.  We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant Hugs, CatNipped

Some people! I can’t believe what some people do. Perhaps "someone" could sneak out and change the price to perhaps a $100.00 or so? If anything perhaps it will keep the "riff raff" down.

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The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet.  We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant Hugs, CatNipped

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet.  We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant Hugs, CatNipped

Are there any good rescue groups in the area?  I would buy them all and get them into a good rescue. — -Kelly

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now.  We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet. We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant Hugs, CatNipped Are there any good rescue groups in the area?  I would buy them all and get them into a good rescue. — -Kelly

She may not can. The way our rescue group does, if the cats have a home then they won’t be accepted. Technically, these cats aren’t strays. They’re in a poor situation, but they’re not feral or abandoned. Grace

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people who live across the street just bought their home 6 months ago for $225,000 (we knew the people who lived there before them and knew what they were asking for their newly remodeled home).  They have a brand new SUV in the driveway.  They have a brand new motorcycle in the attached garage. They also have a poor little scrawny female cat who has not been spayed or vaccinated…. and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00". http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Real_kittens/ <BIG SIGH  Ben and I just *CAN NOT* afford another kitten right now. We had a severe financial set back 2 years ago and haven’t recovered yet. We are putting off having our own cats vetted because of Jessie’s recent vet bills.  But I just know what kind of homes these kittens will go to – if they even get to go to a home in the middle of kitten season and don’t get taken to the pound or dropped somewhere to fend for themselves! AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I *HATE* people sometimes! </rant Hugs, CatNipped Are there any good rescue groups in the area?  I would buy them all and get them into a good rescue. — -Kelly

There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren’t accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season – they have about 25 kittens already as well as hundreds of adult cats that have been languishing in cages for over a year already.  I’m trying to talk DH into squeezing one more into our clowder, but I really don’t have any hope of success because I know he’s right about our finances.  As much as I want to save every kitten (and every adult) stray, my own four have to come first. Hugs, CatNipped

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There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren’t accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season – they have about 25 kittens already as well as hundreds of adult cats that have been languishing in cages for over a year already.  I’m trying to talk DH into squeezing one more into our clowder, but I really don’t have any hope of success because I know he’s right about our finances.  As much as I want to save every kitten (and every adult) stray, my own four have to come first.

Maybe you can foster them until they can be gotten into a rescue?  Check into spay/neuter resources too.  They often can help with the kittens, and if the momma isn’t spayed, they are going to have another litter.  I wish the group my friend is with was in your area.  They will come to the person’s house and pick up the cat so they have no excuses.  Spay fee is whatever you can afford. — -Kelly

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and they now have a litter of kittens to "get rid of".  I couldn’t believe the sign they had in the street outside their house, "Real Kittens $1.00".

Do you think you could talk to them regarding the dangers of selling kittens so cheap? They should ask at least $25 or so to avoid idiots who want to feed them to snakes, etc. — Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is, but they are full to capacity (and a bit beyond) and aren’t accepting any more kittens right now in the middle of kitten season – they have about 25 kittens already as well as hundreds of adult cats that have been languishing in cages for over a year already.  I’m trying to talk DH into squeezing one more into our clowder, but I really don’t have any hope of success because I know he’s right about our finances.  As much as I want to save every kitten (and every adult) stray, my own four have to come first. Maybe you can foster them until they can be gotten into a rescue?  Check into spay/neuter resources too.  They often can help with the kittens, and if the momma isn’t spayed, they are going to have another litter.  I wish the group my friend is with was in your area.  They will come to the person’s house and pick up the cat so they have no excuses.  Spay fee is whatever you can afford. — -Kelly

We have S.N.A.P. here in Houston and I’ve printed out information about their program and given to the neighbors.  It costs $30 for vaccs and another $40 for the spay or $30 for neuter, but for 5 kittens that’s out of our ballpark right now.  Even the cost of extra food and litter to foster would be hard on us after the unexpected vet bill for Jessie.  Believe, I’m thinking and thinking, but convincing DH to spend any more right now when we can’t pay the car insurance is not going to happen. Hugs, CatNipped

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Dan, I just spoke with Katherine at the shelter and she says just come in and ask for her and you can take Conan. She will be there tomorrow, but she does not have to be there for you to do this. I have arranged for you to receive a PayPal for $200 for the adoption fee, your expenses, and something for you for being such an angel. If it is not there tonight, it will be there first thing in the morning. Rhonda will be able to arrange transportation, I just know it! So I am not going to wait to have the money sent to you You might want to call and "reserve" Conan tomorrow if there is a delay with the flight, so you don’t have to have him at home and upset your other cats. Poor Harri is recuperating, so we want her to be calm. As long as they know you are coming, they will not euthanize him. I feel sure he could be fine through after the fourth, even. Yippeeee!!!

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You might want to call and "reserve" Conan tomorrow if there is a delay with the flight, so you don’t have to have him at home and upset your other cats. Poor Harri is recuperating, so we want her to be calm. As long as they know you are coming, they will not euthanize him. I feel sure he could be fine through after the fourth, even.

I shall do so. We’re gonna get this guy a new home!

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Think of all the fun we’re gonna have over the months and years that follow, riding Arty-Phillip about all the stuff he said about the group not moving fast enough on this. I’m going through all his posts and will compile all the ammo needed to make him look like an ass (like he needs the help) for years to come. eq

Great!  You have preannounced yours will be a deliberate, selective, piece of libel ("ammo, make him *look* like …"). Wonderful! Send me an autographed copy, won’t you.  Paperback is fine. I’ve never had an unauthorized biography done on me before. Make sure you accurately copy/paste, time/date these selectively chosen quotes. Who is "Arty?"  Is this an introduction to a pseudo name you will use to protect the innocent? You have a shallow life, "eq".  I give you purpose.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan, I just spoke with Katherine at the shelter and she says just come in and ask for her and you can take Conan. She will be there tomorrow, but she does not have to be there for you to do this. I have arranged for you to receive a PayPal for $200 for the adoption fee, your expenses, and something for you for being such an angel. If it is not there tonight, it will be there first thing in the morning. Rhonda will be able to arrange transportation, I just know it! So I am not going to wait to have the money sent to you You might want to call and "reserve" Conan tomorrow if there is a delay with the flight, so you don’t have to have him at home and upset your other cats. Poor Harri is recuperating, so we want her to be calm. As long as they know you are coming, they will not euthanize him. I feel sure he could be fine through after the fourth, even. Yippeeee!!! Think of all the fun we’re gonna have over the months and years that follow, riding Arty-Phillip about all the stuff he said about the group not moving fast enough on this. I’m going through all his posts and will compile all the ammo needed to make him look like an ass (like he needs the help) for years to come. eq

I make a motion that you get another hobby.   Anyone second the motion?

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rec.pets.cats.health+behav – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan, I just spoke with Katherine at the shelter and she says just come in and ask for her and you can take Conan. She will be there tomorrow, but she does not have to be there for you to do this. I have arranged for you to receive a PayPal for $200 for the adoption fee, your expenses, and something for you for being such an angel. If it is not there tonight, it will be there first thing in the morning. Rhonda will be able to arrange transportation, I just know it! So I am not going to wait to have the money sent to you You might want to call and "reserve" Conan tomorrow if there is a delay with the flight, so you don’t have to have him at home and upset your other cats. Poor Harri is recuperating, so we want her to be calm. As long as they know you are coming, they will not euthanize him. I feel sure he could be fine through after the fourth, even. Yippeeee!!!

I’m happy that Conan might have a home, but a few things concern me. From your earlier post, you said that you told Katherine that Dan was going to be the adopter, not Charlie Wilkes, rather than find out if out-of-state adoptions were permitted. As a former cat fosterer, I like to know whatever I can about the potential adopter. Throughout this story, I felt confident that Charlie would have to fill out an adoption application, have his vet information verified, etc. Now it seems that isn’t going to happen and it doesn’t sit right with me. That poor cat has been through enough already and deserves to have the shelter policies – that are meant to protect him – followed. What do we know about Charlie Wilkes? Only what Google provides. From what I’ve seen so far, I wouldn’t adopt a cat to him. Just my 2

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there you go flooding again.   try this:   deep breaths.   breath

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there you go flooding again.   try this:   deep breaths.   breath

If I wasn’t so personally amused by some of the comments made regarding you posts, I’d kill file you.

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i guess you don’t see the floods either.  sorry

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HOWEDY bringmewater, there you go flooding again.   try this: out

You mean "ZEN breathing" as taught by captain arthur haggerty, the lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case? HOWEDY racetrack silly, you miserable lyin dog murderin psychoclHOWEN, Here are just a few things to take into consideration when being advised to read the ‘manual’

You mean, advised by The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the WHOWEL WILD WORLD, racetrack silly? written by the ‘Puppy Wizard’,

You mean PLAGIARIZED, racetrack silly, don’t you? or follow his ‘advice’:

You mean the dangerHOWES ineffective advice, racetrack silly? – His beliefs/opinions about dogs –

Dog trainin AIN’T a matter of OPINION or BELIEF, it’s a PRECISE SCIENCE AS TAUGHT in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual and PROVEN by The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student’s POSTED CASE HISTORIES from all over the WHOWEL WILD WORLD <{) ; ~ ) You call them LIARS and FORGERIES, you freakin lyin dog abusing mental case <{) ; ~ )  - he’s said that he doesn’t like dogs,

WON AIN’T GOT to LIKE dogs not to HURT them like HOWE you do, racetrack silly. You LIKE dogs enough to MURDER them when it’s CONVIENIENT for them to DIE at your hands. and it does not appear that he has dogs and is not clear that he ever had dogs.

That so, racetrack silly? He believes that

"BELIEFS" got NUTHIN to do with the SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR. a dog is a dog is a dog

INDEEDY. As a child is a child as a kat is a kat as a wolf is a wolf. THEY ALL RESPOND THE SAME SAME. and that there is no difference between the temperaments and learning styles of breeds that have been bred for generations to do a particular job.

You mean, you can’t HURT INTIMIDATE BRIBE CRATE and MURDER critters LIKE HOWE YOU and your dog murderin mental case pals DONE, racetrack silly: Damn Gwen, don’t mince words or anything.  I will assume, from the above, that in your eyes, I am not trustworthy to rescue Boxers or make decisions on who gets to adopt them…having killed my own dog and all. You’re not the only one.  After numerous training classes, behavioral consultations, and hundreds of dollars in vet bills, I killed my Dalmatian several years ago due to extreme dog-aggressiveness.

Did you have to pay for it, or did the local Animal Protection League, where you were board President while 70% of the animals coming in for rescue were being killed, give you a freebie? Either she was going to kill Tasha, my Siberian with the rock steady temperament, or Tasha was going to kill her, right in front of us.  My DH’s first dog, and still the canine love of his life. Good thing that Gwen is perfect in her stewardship of her animals.

Gwen didn’t murder her own dog. You and Tara O. did. michael live.. dogtv.comn He claims that all misbehaviors and illnesses are caused by mishandling or abuse.

ALL TEMPERAMENT and BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. MOST DIS-EASES are STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) These opinions are not supported by the literature.

INDEEDY. You mean the LITERATURE that tells you to choke shock crate bribe and murder dogs you’re AFRAID to HURT and INTIMDIATE someMOORE <{) ; ~ ) – His claim that he can train any dog in the world while sitting naked in front of his computer, without personally assessing said dog.  This is simply not credible.

RIGHT! UNTIL YOU READ THE CASE HISTORY DATA, racetrack silly. Additionally, he appears to spend all of his time posting to various newsgroups, some of which have nothing to do with dogs;

You mean, the parenting and child care news groups, racetrack silly? CuriHOWES AIN’T IT, HOWE COME parents HATE The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s INFORMATION and CASE HISTORY DATA as much as HOWER DOG LOVERS HATE HIM for NOT HURTING and MURDERING critters, racetrack silly <{) ; ~  )  he digs up and responds to old posts,

Yeah. EMBARRASSIN, AIN’T IT. responds to his own posts himself,

On accHOWENT of you miserable COWARD won’t reply to DEFEND your PAIN FEAR FORCE and INTIMDIATION <{) ; ~ ) posts and cross-posts sometimes hundreds of posts a day and all through the night.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is on a MISSION to HOWEND you to the gates of heel and LOCK YOU BUMS INSIDE and throw away the key… This suggests that he’s not spending much time actually training dogs.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn’t NEED to SEE a dog to TRAIN IT, racetrack silly. ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, as you’ve PROVEN through YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY. – His reputation, or lack of same – - though he claims to be a well-known dog trainer, no one who lives in the area where he lives has ever heard of him.

Oh. THAT’S on accOHOWENT of The Amazing Puppy Wizard is new to HIS neighborhood, racetrack silly.  - His behavior on this newsgroup.  He follows people around, often emailing them personally, harassing them about extremely painful things such as a dog’s chronic or terminal medical problems

You mean, STRESS INDUCED AUTO IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard’s SYNDROME, racetrack silly <{) ; ~ ) or having to euthanize a dog for temperament problems.

Like HOWE you done, racetrack silly, DESPITE of all your "RESOURCES" and PROFESSIONAL TRAINING and VETERINARY BEHAVIORISTS <{) ; ~ )   He responds to people he knows have killfiled him because  of his abusive behavior, reposting miles of old material

PRETTY EMBARRASSIN, AIN’T IT. and inserting inane comments.

You mean, like EXXXPLAINING HOWE shocking dogs makes them MURDER their own HOWEskats and ATTACK EACH OTHER (opposite sex dogs, no less), like your mental case pal culprit’s dogs done a couple weeks after she began shocking them.   He is constantly abusive to regulars on this newsgroup,

You mean the lyin dog abusing MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs like HOWE you done, racetrack silly. many of whom have had little if any contact with him,

SURPRISE? SURPRISE?? SURPRISE??? and makes up slanderous lies about them.

CITES PLEASE, you lyin dog murderin mental case. He is often immediately abusive to newbies who have never had any contact with him,

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS. and he never answers their questions with any information other than to advertise his ‘manual’ and claim that it will fix anything.

AND IT DOES. BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! -His writing style – - he rants and raves, often incoherently;

Well, you’d have to be followin HOWER forums to UNDERSTAND. misspells words to insert his name, other people’s names, or words such as "troll"; he makes up names for people and/or makes fun of their names.  This is, at best, unprofessional.

Yeah. As opposed to bein NICE and HURTIN INTIMDIATING and MURDERING dogs and LYING abHOWET it like you and your punk thug coward MENTAL CASE pals. Mustang Sally

                   Jerry’s Dog Training Manual      "I Am Willing To Take Jerry’s Theory On How Dogs Think                         As A Likely One,       Simply Because The Dog Training Methodology He Describes                    (Based On His Suppositions)                      Works So Well," Lisa B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Lynn, I used to have a barking problem with my German Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago. I tried several things recommended to me by different trainers, and nothing was working. When I read that section of Jerry’s Manual, I thought the same way you did. "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded counterproductive, but I had tried everything else I’d heard so I thought I’d try it too. Next time she went nuts at a person walking by outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are such a good protector!" And instead of continuing the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She will still bark (she’s a guard dog, that’s her job), but after one bark, she knows she’s done her job to warn me by my praise, and she stops. Jenn,

Could you be so kind as to post here the section from Jerry’s manual where he writes that you should JUST praise the   As I recall, I thought he first advocates  distracting the dog from barking, with  keys or the soft sound of pennies in a  can, before praising.  Perhaps you can tutor me regarding  Jerry’s system.  Thanks in advance!  –Marshall Dermer PS: I don’t read Jerry’s posts but I look forward to your post. Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about me. I hope I can change your mind in the future, as I love reading your posts, and value (and have used) some of your advice.

BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!! As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting to get a plain answer about something instead of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be done. Jenn Standring

I’m not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker. You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that is not the purpose of teaspoon! –Marshall Hi Marshall,

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Hello all, I’m a retired fifty something widow that’s owned by a two year old shetland sheepdog named Summer Magic and a pampered princess of a kitty named Bailey-Jane.  I’ve owned and trained Shelties for over fourteen years.  I’m looking forward to meeting all of you and seeing pictures of your lovely furkids.  See ya around! — Summer Magic

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Howdy Summer Magic,   Welcome. A lot of knowledgable people here and at least one weirdo. You can check out my dogs on my website in my sig. Enjoy. Frank X. Morris http://community.webtv.net/Sulkhalil/SalukiCornerChime

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HOWEDY Summer Magic, Hello all,

Nice to meet you. The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ: "DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST here abHOWETS." Are you a dog abusing mental case like the rest of the posters here abHOWETS? Perhaps you should report your mental heelth case history to Soup aka Director Of Mental Heelth Affairs and Activities. I’m a retired fifty something widow that’s owned by a two year old shetland sheepdog named Summer Magic and a pampered princess of a kitty named Bailey-Jane.

INDEEDY. The welcoming committee seems to be represented by frank morris. He enjoys turnin his pack of HOWEND dogs loose to maul innocent bunnys. He calls it SPORT, LURE COURSING, so to speak… I’ve owned and trained Shelties for over fourteen years.

We ONLY got liars dog abusers cowards and active acute long term incurable MENTAL CASES postin here abHOWETS, Summer Magic. I’m looking forward to meeting all of you and seeing pictures of your lovely furkids.

INDEEDY. Stick arHOWEND. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will CITE the POSTED CASE HISTORIES of the lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases who reply to you, time permittin, as we got a VERY LONG history of mental illness and animal abuse here abHOWETS. See ya around!

INDEED. BET YOUR DOG’S LIFE ON IT. Summer Magic

 "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior                   Never Change,   Or They’d Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain     Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results                For All Handler’s                  And All Dogs,         For ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES                    ALL OVER              The Whole Wild World                NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard’s FREE    WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual,"            The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )   You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT BIRDY or CHILD in a few minutes to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON’T follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat birdy and child abusing MENTAL CASES you’re askin for HEELP.           You GET The Critter You TRAINED                  A DOG Is A Dog;                 As A KAT Is A KAT;               As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;              As A CHILD IS A CHILD;             As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.   ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING           ALL Critters Only Respond In         PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL           INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways; To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment             Which We Create For Them.    Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."        We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions            And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. Here’s your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G