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Well there you go, we’ve just been talking about the IQ of the average working class American falling bellow 45 when along comes the evidence. RH 45? Don’t you think you are being a touch generous? M

Well maybe 35 in Clyde’s case, the point is though, it’s not the future, it’s not science fiction as we all thought. It’s here now today, Clyde Benson’s the living proof of it. With his moronic attitude to women, with his moronic attitude to anyone who’s different to him and his attempt to sell pointless URLs for $1/4 Million apiece when we can all resister completely pointless Internet addresses for as little as $25 each. Clyde should go back to from whence he came, alt.adoption.issues, with the rest of the real life "Marching Morons". Robin

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Clyde should go back to from whence he came, alt.adoption.issues, with the rest of the real life "Marching Morons".

Robin I was just thinking the same thing myself.

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Alright you dummies! you may have a good point for a change. You need to get your groups straight however. I came from Alt. adoption.searching. And that is where I am headed. Where it is now peaceful and harmonious. No longer full of the wild hyena packs that used to roam there a few months ago. I left for a while. So tell me what happened that caused you all to decide to move to a different forum? I think alt.adoption.issues is best for you folks who want to growl, scratch, and bite. Because there is no question that you all have major mental issues. The last time I took a test my IQ was 174 by the way. That is not as high as I had hoped, but it is better than being in the single digits like most of you Tubob! Clyde should go back to from whence he came, alt.adoption.issues, with the rest of the real life "Marching Morons". Robin I was just thinking the same thing myself.

Just one of those things that make you go hummmm. Who deserves to be impeached and imprisoned the most? A president receiving face from an adult willing female? Or a president who lies to over four billion people worldwide and then orders the attack and destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocents, 1,600 American GI’S killed and over 25,000 permanently disfigured? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nature_knows_no_color_lines http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Beautiful_Young_Females/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright you dummies! you may have a good point for a change. You need to get your groups straight however. I came from Alt. adoption.searching. And that is where I am headed. Where it is now peaceful and harmonious. No longer full of the wild hyena packs that used to roam there a few months ago. I left for a while. So tell me what happened that caused you all to decide to move to a different forum? I think alt.adoption.issues is best for you folks who want to growl, scratch, and bite. Because there is no question that you all have major mental issues. The last time I took a test my IQ was 174 by the way. That is not as high as I had hoped, but it is better than being in the single digits like most of you Tubob!

Uh, right.  Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. And if you’re so smart, you would have known better than to come here looking how to adopt a kid. — —— Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557 Science doesn’t burn people at the stake for disagreeing – Vic Sagerquist

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Aside from the whackos like yourself that come and go, we lifers on a.a. are actually a pretty mellow bunch who get along surprisingly well given that we sometimes hold  very different opinions. As for you, whistler, men don’t usually pull a biological clock from their ass which probably had no room anyway, given your head was there first. (the)duckster apar class of 98

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Aside from the whackos like yourself that come and go, we lifers on a.a. are actually a pretty mellow bunch who get along surprisingly well given that we sometimes hold  very different opinions. As for you, whistler, men don’t usually pull a biological clock from their ass which probably had no room anyway, given your head was there first.

Whoa!  Put down the wine just in time — —— Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557 Science doesn’t burn people at the stake for disagreeing – Vic Sagerquist

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"Protagoras"  but mostly am curious if a single guy like myself could or should adopt?

Bringing a child into your home is not like adopting a puppy, though there are many similarities. By the read of your query it almost feels like you’re thinking "got everything else, why not a kid?"  Hmmmm…. With women, it’s a maternal pull.  Single, straight, guys nearly 50?  You’re probably okay, but something about you makes the hair rise up on the back of my neck. (the)duckster apar class of 98 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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NO! First you need to go through lengthy therapy. Once you stop lusting after men’s filthy ass holes, and start being attracted to women as GOD and nature intends, then you might consider adopting.  You still shouldn’t actually adopt until you are married to a WOMAN. In the mean time if you feel the need to mother something, adopt some of these savages on this forum. If they don’t provide enough mental and physical joy for you then go get a couple of kittens, or puppies and adopt them. They will keep you real busy. Wondering if I would stand a chance adopting a child. I guess I always figured that only couples can adopt. I am single, male, heterosexual, 48 years old, have had relationships but never married (came close a couple of times), financially very stable (full-time tenured college professor), unique in that I teach 100% online now so I would have time to be home and take care of a child and attend his/her school events and such.  I know nothing about who can adopt, costs involved, but mostly am curious if a single guy like myself could or should adopt?

Three URL’S for  Sale. Very similar names to www.wtatour.com,  a huge international corporation www.wtatours.com www.wtatours.net and www.wtatours.org Buy all three for $450,000 or $250,000 each! Contact me by email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nature_Knows_No_Color_Line/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NO! First you need to go through lengthy therapy. Once you stop lusting after men’s filthy ass holes, and start being attracted to women as GOD and nature intends, then you might consider adopting.  You still shouldn’t actually adopt until you are married to a WOMAN. In the mean time if you feel the need to mother something, adopt some of these savages on this forum. If they don’t provide enough mental and physical joy for you then go get a couple of kittens, or puppies and adopt them. They will keep you real busy.

What’s wrong, Clyde?  Young and the Restless not on today?

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Well there you go, we’ve just been talking about the IQ of the average working class American falling bellow 45 when along comes the evidence. RH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NO! First you need to go through lengthy therapy. Once you stop lusting after men’s filthy ass holes, and start being attracted to women as GOD and nature intends, then you might consider adopting.  You still shouldn’t actually adopt until you are married to a WOMAN. In the mean time if you feel the need to mother something, adopt some of these savages on this forum. If they don’t provide enough mental and physical joy for you then go get a couple of kittens, or puppies and adopt them. They will keep you real busy. Wondering if I would stand a chance adopting a child. I guess I always figured that only couples can adopt. I am single, male, heterosexual, 48 years old, have had relationships but never married (came close a couple of times), financially very stable (full-time tenured college professor), unique in that I teach 100% online now so I would have time to be home and take care of a child and attend his/her school events and such.  I know nothing about who can adopt, costs involved, but mostly am curious if a single guy like myself could or should adopt? Three URL’S for  Sale. Very similar names to www.wtatour.com,  a huge international corporation www.wtatours.com www.wtatours.net and www.wtatours.org Buy all three for $450,000 or $250,000 each! Contact me by email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nature_Knows_No_Color_Line/

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No I watched all that today . I’m just lonely. When you have no family, or friends who invite you to their barbecues, or come to mine it gets a little sad. on certain holidays. I look two houses up the street and that man has eight kids and dozens of grandchildren. His yard is full of people. My best friend left out and headed back to Birmingham this afternoon. So it is just me and my felines. As I was watching my neighbors, I was thinking to myself how much fun they are having together. I then asked myself if I could do so would I be willing to give up the over seven years I spent living in Italy, and year in Thailand plus living in or traveling through 47 states, for a big family of my own. After thinking about that for a few minutes, I decided that I was really happy the way things were. If I had a big family and had never traveled outside of the Midwest like many of my neighbors, I think I would have really missed a lot of the world. Plus when time comes to divvy up the huge multi-mill estate there is no one around to get it but me. That should happen next summer at the latest. Then look for huge ads in the USA Today paper. I’m going to run ads looking for a human female between the ages of 17 and 25 who would be willing to have my child for me. I’m going to offer them $35,000 for starters and cover all their expenses. They have to be drug and alcohol free, between 62 and 68 inches tall, 100 and 150 pounds, no major mental, or physical deformities, or afflictions, Christian, and come from families that have no history of dying early from genetic flaws. They must not smoke anything other than cigars. I’ll have enough loot to pay five or six females to do that for me. The problem is I’m not sure there are five or six females in America who can fit those simple qualifications. If anyone refers the right type to me I will give them $10,000 for their efforts. It’s time for me to get busy and stop putting all of my apples in one cart. Do you think this might be possible? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NO! First you need to go through lengthy therapy. Once you stop lusting after men’s filthy ass holes, and start being attracted to women as GOD and nature intends, then you might consider adopting.  You still shouldn’t actually adopt until you are married to a WOMAN. In the mean time if you feel the need to mother something, adopt some of these savages on this forum. If they don’t provide enough mental and physical joy for you then go get a couple of kittens, or puppies and adopt them. They will keep you real busy. What’s wrong, Clyde?  Young and the Restless not on today?

Just one of those things that make you go hummmm. Who deserves to be impeached and imprisoned the most? A president receiving face from an adult willing female? Or a president who lies to over four billion people worldwide and then orders the attack and destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocents, 1,600 American GI’S killed and over 25,000 permanently disfigured? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nature_knows_no_color_lines http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Beautiful_Young_Females/

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No I watched all that today . I’m just lonely. When you have no family, or friends who invite you to their barbecues, or come to mine it gets a little sad. on certain holidays.

Do you not reckon a little bit of effort on your part to become less unpleasant might be the cure for that problem? I look two houses up the street and that man has eight kids and dozens of grandchildren. His yard is full of people.

Yea, but he’s not the kind of miserable little shit that you are, is he? My best friend left out and headed back to Birmingham this afternoon. So it is just me and my felines. As I was watching my neighbors, I was thinking to myself how much fun they are having together. I then asked myself if I could do so would I be willing to give up the over seven years I spent living in Italy, and year in Thailand plus living in or traveling through 47 states, for a big family of my own.

Doesn’t matter where you go, if you’re a little shit you stay a little shit until YOU do something about it. After thinking about that for a few minutes, I decided that I was really happy the way things were.

No you’re not, I can see from here you’re a miserable little shit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I had a big family and had never traveled outside of the Midwest like many of my neighbors, I think I would have really missed a lot of the world. Plus when time comes to divvy up the huge multi-mill estate there is no one around to get it but me. That should happen next summer at the latest. Then look for huge ads in the USA Today paper. I’m going to run ads looking for a human female between the ages of 17 and 25 who would be willing to have my child for me. I’m going to offer them $35,000 for starters and cover all their expenses. They have to be drug and alcohol free, between 62 and 68 inches tall, 100 and 150 pounds, no major mental, or physical deformities, or afflictions, Christian, and come from families that have no history of dying early from genetic flaws. They must not smoke anything other than cigars. I’ll have enough loot to pay five or six females to do that for me. The problem is I’m not sure there are five or six females in America who can fit those simple qualifications. If anyone refers the right type to me I will give them $10,000 for their efforts. It’s time for me to get busy and stop putting all of my apples in one cart. Do you think this might be possible?

I think perhaps you could have all that for free if you weren’t such a miserable little shit. Robin

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Well there you go, we’ve just been talking about the IQ of the average working class American falling bellow 45 when along comes the evidence. RH

45? Don’t you think you are being a touch generous? M

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Wondering if I would stand a chance adopting a child. I guess I always figured that only couples can adopt. I am single, male, heterosexual, 48 years old, have had relationships but never married (came close a couple of times), financially very stable (full-time tenured college professor), unique in that I teach 100% online now so I would have time to be home and take care of a child and attend his/her school events and such.  I know nothing about who can adopt, costs involved, but mostly am curious if a single guy like myself could or should adopt?

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Wondering if I would stand a chance adopting a child. I guess I always figured that only couples can adopt. I am single, male, heterosexual, 48 years old, have had relationships but never married (came close a couple of times), financially very stable (full-time tenured college professor), unique in that I teach 100% online now so I would have time to be home and take care of a child and attend his/her school events and such.  I know nothing about who can adopt, costs involved, but mostly am curious if a single guy like myself could or should adopt?

Interesting question. You probably could adopt, particularly if you were adopting an older child. Whether you should is a different issue. Being a parent isn’t just an add-on to your existing life. It transforms it. Whether the transformed life is an improvement or a disaster depends very much on your point of view. Being a single parent doubles all the stakes. No one but you knows why your relationships with women didn’t work out, but if it was from a postponement of commitment, or because you need more space than you got in such a relationship — kids are an order of magnitude more demanding both of commitment and of space. Being an adoptive parent to an older child is also unlike just raising one you’ve had from birth – though that already has challenges. You have to be prepared to face them and do your best for the kid. There’s not much point in adopting unless you’re highly motivated. If you’re missing having young people in your life, perhaps you could try something like Big Brothers or even fostering a child? Or, if you have nieces/ nephews, becoming a more active uncle? Rupa

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In article <2quie0F145ev…@uni-berlin.de>, omega.po…@ntlworld.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maybe Science will be able to offer some kind of vaccine against all that > lovey-dovey rubbish some day. > (grumpy) > OTS > "Sklenge" <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:BD6F903D.216DC%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk… > > Ms Pnoopie Pnats’s post: > > > In article <BD6F6F89.214FD%skle…@yahoo.co.uk>, skle…@yahoo.co.uk > > > says… > > >> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: > > >>> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > > >>> news:BD6F6A7D.214CD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: > > >>>>>> And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say. > > >>>>> She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t > love you > > >>>>> [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she screams at > him for > > >>>>> daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the kind of person she > is, so > > >>>>> of > > >>>>> course I believe him. > > >>>> Some children can be manipulative. > > >>> Depends on what you mean. Everyone wants to get what they want to > get…in > > >>> this instance, to get away from mummy. > > >>>> I’m not saying your ex-wife isn’t the harpy from hell. > > >>> She’s one of them.  I know *exactly* what she’s like, and it doesn’t > > >>> surprise > > >>> me or anyone who knows her. > > >> Just out of interest, what did you see in her in the beginning? Or was > she > > >> okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, > decided to > > >> have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a bitch queen. > > >>>> At what age is he allowed by law to make up his own mind with whom he > wants > > >>>> to live? > > >>> There’s no set age in California.  It’s just a matter of forking up > the cash > > >>> for an attorney, or doing it myself. > > >> I have a second-hand friend in Australia whose daughter (only six years > old) > > >> got into a discussion about how she could avoid having to go and see > her > > >> father. Her mother tried to explain it would cost a lot of money to > arrange > > >> and the girl opened up her piggy bank and asked if she had enough. > > > a lot of times i think you overlook things when you are in love and when > > > teh reality of it sinks in, shit hits teh fan. > > You’re right. I’m not going to be judgmental about people who do silly > > things when they’re in love. I’ve been there myself. > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 – Release Date: 13/09/2004

there are anti depressants — I promise to spank the plank daily.

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"Michaela" <michaelashouse> wrote in news:414a6d7c.0@news1.mweb.co.za: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent wrote: >> Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >> " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s >> more deserving." >> "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >> "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >> "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >> He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make >> so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >> He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! > Must be very confusing for him.

I think he’s really beginning to loathe her, but it’s entirely her fault. > Here’s hugs for your puppy. > ((((((((((puppy)))))))))) > – Michaela

– If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > news:BD6F747E.21509%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >>> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >>> news:BD6F6F89.214FD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >>>> Or was she okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, >>>> decided to have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a bitch >>>> queen. >>> That’s pretty much it. >> Was it post-natal depression? > No.  Lack of good judgement on my part.

I don’t understand, you say she was fine and then she switched – how could you have been able to work out she would do that? Unless you weren’t reading the signs through the process of getting to know her. When did you realize? What did she do? What was that moment of epiphany when you knew she was a bitch and it was all over bar the shouting?

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Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:BD707144.2184F%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >> news:BD6F747E.21509%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >>> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >>>> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >>>> news:BD6F6F89.214FD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >>>>> Or was she okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, >>>>> married her, decided to have a child with her… etc and then she >>>>> switched into a bitch queen. >>>> That’s pretty much it. >>> Was it post-natal depression? >> No.  Lack of good judgement on my part. > I don’t understand, you say she was fine and then she switched – how > could you have been able to work out she would do that? Unless you > weren’t reading the signs through the process of getting to know her.

Maybe that was it. > When did you realize?

After about 2 years of togetherness. >What did she do?

Screamed like banshee for 2 years. — If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent wrote: > Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: > " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s > more deserving." > "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" > "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." > "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." > He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make > so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ > He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh!

Must be very confusing for him. Here’s hugs for your puppy. ((((((((((puppy)))))))))) – Michaela

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Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:BD6F747E.21509%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: > Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >> news:BD6F6F89.214FD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >>> Or was >>> she okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, >>> decided to have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a >>> bitch queen. >> That’s pretty much it. > Was it post-natal depression?

No.  Lack of good judgement on my part. — If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:13:57 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >" If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s more >deserving." >"All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >"Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >"If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make so >many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh!

thats a shame.  it will also be a shame when he is 30 and never wants to see her.

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Maybe Science will be able to offer some kind of vaccine against all that lovey-dovey rubbish some day. (grumpy) OTS "Sklenge" <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:BD6F903D.216DC%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ms Pnoopie Pnats’s post: > > In article <BD6F6F89.214FD%skle…@yahoo.co.uk>, skle…@yahoo.co.uk > > says… > >> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: > >>> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > >>> news:BD6F6A7D.214CD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: > >>>>>> And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say. > >>>>> She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t love you > >>>>> [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she screams at him for > >>>>> daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the kind of person she is, so > >>>>> of > >>>>> course I believe him. > >>>> Some children can be manipulative. > >>> Depends on what you mean. Everyone wants to get what they want to get…in > >>> this instance, to get away from mummy. > >>>> I’m not saying your ex-wife isn’t the harpy from hell. > >>> She’s one of them.  I know *exactly* what she’s like, and it doesn’t > >>> surprise > >>> me or anyone who knows her. > >> Just out of interest, what did you see in her in the beginning? Or was she > >> okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, decided to > >> have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a bitch queen. > >>>> At what age is he allowed by law to make up his own mind with whom he wants > >>>> to live? > >>> There’s no set age in California.  It’s just a matter of forking up the cash > >>> for an attorney, or doing it myself. > >> I have a second-hand friend in Australia whose daughter (only six years old) > >> got into a discussion about how she could avoid having to go and see her > >> father. Her mother tried to explain it would cost a lot of money to arrange > >> and the girl opened up her piggy bank and asked if she had enough. > > a lot of times i think you overlook things when you are in love and when > > teh reality of it sinks in, shit hits teh fan. > You’re right. I’m not going to be judgmental about people who do silly > things when they’re in love. I’ve been there myself.

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Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > news:BD6F648D.214AF%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >>> Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >>> " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s more >>> deserving." >>> "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >>> "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >>> "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >>> He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make so many >>> promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >>> He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! >> And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say. > She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t love you > [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she screams at him for > daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the kind of person she is, so of > course I believe him.

Some children can be manipulative. I’m not saying your ex-wife isn’t the harpy from hell. At what age is he allowed by law to make up his own mind with whom he wants to live? I think in the UK as soon as the child can speak their opinion is taken into account.

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Ms Pnoopie Pnats’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <BD6F6F89.214FD%skle…@yahoo.co.uk>, skle…@yahoo.co.uk > says… >> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >>> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >>> news:BD6F6A7D.214CD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >>>>>> And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say. >>>>> She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t love you >>>>> [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she screams at him for >>>>> daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the kind of person she is, so >>>>> of >>>>> course I believe him. >>>> Some children can be manipulative. >>> Depends on what you mean. Everyone wants to get what they want to get…in >>> this instance, to get away from mummy. >>>> I’m not saying your ex-wife isn’t the harpy from hell. >>> She’s one of them.  I know *exactly* what she’s like, and it doesn’t >>> surprise >>> me or anyone who knows her. >> Just out of interest, what did you see in her in the beginning? Or was she >> okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, decided to >> have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a bitch queen. >>>> At what age is he allowed by law to make up his own mind with whom he wants >>>> to live? >>> There’s no set age in California.  It’s just a matter of forking up the cash >>> for an attorney, or doing it myself. >> I have a second-hand friend in Australia whose daughter (only six years old) >> got into a discussion about how she could avoid having to go and see her >> father. Her mother tried to explain it would cost a lot of money to arrange >> and the girl opened up her piggy bank and asked if she had enough. > a lot of times i think you overlook things when you are in love and when > teh reality of it sinks in, shit hits teh fan.

You’re right. I’m not going to be judgmental about people who do silly things when they’re in love. I’ve been there myself.

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In article <BD6F6F89.214FD%skle…@yahoo.co.uk>, skle…@yahoo.co.uk says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: > > Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > > news:BD6F6A7D.214CD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: > >>>> And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say. > >>> She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t love you > >>> [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she screams at him for > >>> daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the kind of person she is, so of > >>> course I believe him. > >> Some children can be manipulative. > > Depends on what you mean. Everyone wants to get what they want to get…in > > this instance, to get away from mummy. > >> I’m not saying your ex-wife isn’t the harpy from hell. > > She’s one of them.  I know *exactly* what she’s like, and it doesn’t surprise > > me or anyone who knows her. > Just out of interest, what did you see in her in the beginning? Or was she > okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, decided to > have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a bitch queen. > >> At what age is he allowed by law to make up his own mind with whom he wants > >> to live? > > There’s no set age in California.  It’s just a matter of forking up the cash > > for an attorney, or doing it myself. > I have a second-hand friend in Australia whose daughter (only six years old) > got into a discussion about how she could avoid having to go and see her > father. Her mother tried to explain it would cost a lot of money to arrange > and the girl opened up her piggy bank and asked if she had enough.

a lot of times i think you overlook things when you are in love and when teh reality of it sinks in, shit hits teh fan. — I promise to spank the plank daily.

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In article <BD6F747E.21509%skle…@yahoo.co.uk>, skle…@yahoo.co.uk says… > Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: > > Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > > news:BD6F6F89.214FD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: > >> Or was > >> she okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, > >> decided to have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a > >> bitch queen. > > That’s pretty much it. > Was it post-natal depression?

post marraige/natal beeatch! — I promise to spank the plank daily.

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Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > news:BD6F6A7D.214CD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >>>> And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say. >>> She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t love you >>> [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she screams at him for >>> daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the kind of person she is, so of >>> course I believe him. >> Some children can be manipulative. > Depends on what you mean. Everyone wants to get what they want to get…in > this instance, to get away from mummy. >> I’m not saying your ex-wife isn’t the harpy from hell. > She’s one of them.  I know *exactly* what she’s like, and it doesn’t surprise > me or anyone who knows her.

Just out of interest, what did you see in her in the beginning? Or was she okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, decided to have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a bitch queen. >> At what age is he allowed by law to make up his own mind with whom he wants >> to live? > There’s no set age in California.  It’s just a matter of forking up the cash > for an attorney, or doing it myself.

I have a second-hand friend in Australia whose daughter (only six years old) got into a discussion about how she could avoid having to go and see her father. Her mother tried to explain it would cost a lot of money to arrange and the girl opened up her piggy bank and asked if she had enough.

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Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:BD6F6F89.214FD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >Or was > she okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, > decided to have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a > bitch queen.

That’s pretty much it.

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Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: > Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in > news:BD6F6F89.214FD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >> Or was >> she okay for all the time you met her, got to know her, married her, >> decided to have a child with her… etc and then she switched into a >> bitch queen. > That’s pretty much it.

Was it post-natal depression?

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Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:BD6F6A7D.214CD%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >> Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >> news:BD6F648D.214AF%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: >>> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >>>> Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >>>> " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child >>>> who’s more deserving." >>>> "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >>>> "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >>>> "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >>>> He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to >>>> make so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for >>>> her.’ >>>> He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! >>> And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say. >> She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t >> love you [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she >> screams at him for daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the >> kind of person she is, so of course I believe him. > Some children can be manipulative.

Depends on what you mean. Everyone wants to get what they want to get…in this instance, to get away from mummy. >I’m not saying your ex-wife isn’t > the harpy from hell.

She’s one of them.  I know *exactly* what she’s like, and it doesn’t surprise me or anyone who knows her. >At what age is he allowed by law to make up his > own mind with whom he wants to live?

There’s no set age in California.  It’s just a matter of forking up the cash for an attorney, or doing it myself.  I think in the UK as soon as the > child can speak their opinion is taken into account.

– If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s more deserving." "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! — If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:13:57 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >" If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s more >deserving." >"All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >"Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >"If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make so >many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh!

Who’s mom is this?! He’s 10 and she says things like "stinkie poops" to him?! I’ve got one same age whose father has said the same kinds of things and worse. The child is stuck between parents, even if only one parent is actively sticking him. He needs someone neutral to talk to. I had to go to court to get my boys into therapy because we shared legal custody and he wouldn’t allow it. But it was essential. Even if the dad (is this your kid?!) is doing his best to remain neutral, the kid still feels like he’s betraying one parent when confiding in the other. He needs a neutral person to talk to in confidence. Or a "kids of divorce" group at school? lm

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:qs5jk0h5cfd2mb7qp46m6aj77lh3sb31u3@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:13:57 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" > <a…@at.org> wrote: >>Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >>" If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s >>more deserving." >>"All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >>"Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >>"If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >>He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make >>so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >>He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! > Who’s mom is this?! He’s 10 and she says things like "stinkie poops" > to him?! > I’ve got one same age whose father has said the same kinds of things > and worse.

I’m sorry, it’s very hard, and you can’t just show up in court and say what an ass he/she is, you have to ‘prove’ it. >The child is stuck between parents, even if only one parent > is actively sticking him. He needs someone neutral to talk to. I had > to go to court to get my boys into therapy because we shared legal > custody and he wouldn’t allow it. But it was essential. Even if the > dad (is this your kid?!) is doing his best to remain neutral, the kid > still feels like he’s betraying one parent when confiding in the > other. He needs a neutral person to talk to in confidence. Or a "kids > of divorce" group at school? > lm

Thanks, I’ll look into it.  Yes, I’m referring to my half-insane xwife…she’s a real fookin’ loon.  I’m going to try to get full custody with her just having visitation, too. My son is bright & articulate, so he could definitely testify on his own behalf in court.  In California there’s no set minimum age where a child can choose which parent he wants to live with. I suggested to her that he spend more time with me  & less with her, and she went beserk-o. — If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in news:MPG.1bb36fe0a006f9d0989fa2@news.alt.net: > i hate people that take their baggage out on their kids. I just want to > punch them in the fuckin mouth.

Definitely, it’s so evil. > yet if anyone confronted her on her verbal abuse, she wouldn’t know what > you were talking about.

No, she thinks she’s A-OK, everyone else is a fuckwit/liar…of course she’s one of the worst liars I’ve ever met.  No, the worst.  Maybe second worst.   — If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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Sklenge <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:BD6F648D.214AF%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: >> Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >> " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s >> more deserving." >> "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >> "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >> "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >> He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make >> so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >> He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! > And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say.

She tells him,  ’You’re father  is a stupid lousy bum who doesn’t love you [and so forth],", then he says "No he’s not," then she screams at him for daring to contradict her.  Which is exactly the kind of person she is, so of course I believe him. — If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:tc8jk01iq8h3up223hh7d0cd0pffchd7vo@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:18:04 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" > <a…@at.org> wrote: >>lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >>news:qs5jk0h5cfd2mb7qp46m6aj77lh3sb31u3@4ax.com: >>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:13:57 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" >>> <a…@at.org> wrote: >>>>Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >>>>" If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child >>>>who’s more deserving." >>>>"All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >>>>"Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >>>>"If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >>>>He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make >>>>so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >>>>He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! >>> Who’s mom is this?! He’s 10 and she says things like "stinkie poops" >>> to him?! >>> I’ve got one same age whose father has said the same kinds of things >>> and worse. >>I’m sorry, it’s very hard, and you can’t just show up in court and say >>what an ass he/she is, you have to ‘prove’ it. >>>The child is stuck between parents, even if only one parent >>> is actively sticking him. He needs someone neutral to talk to. I had >>> to go to court to get my boys into therapy because we shared legal >>> custody and he wouldn’t allow it. But it was essential. Even if the >>> dad (is this your kid?!) is doing his best to remain neutral, the >>> kid still feels like he’s betraying one parent when confiding in the >>> other. He needs a neutral person to talk to in confidence. Or a >>> "kids of divorce" group at school? >>> lm >>Thanks, I’ll look into it.  Yes, I’m referring to my half-insane >>xwife…she’s a real fookin’ loon.  I’m going to try to get full >>custody with her just having visitation, too. My son is bright & >>articulate, so he could definitely testify on his own behalf in court. >> In California there’s no set minimum age where a child can choose >>which parent he wants to live with. > Careful with that though, it’s a terrible thing to ask a child to do. >:-(

Well, it wouldn’t be in any sort of guilt-mongering way on my part, believe me, & though he’s only 10, he already sees what kind of person she is. He’s already told me several times that he doesn’t want to go back to her.   And.  He’s always trying to make excuses not to leave here, & he tells me "I can’t stand her."  Now he’ll pretend he’s knocking on her door, but he doesn’t actually knock. >>I suggested to her that he spend more time with me  & less with her, >>and she went beserk-o. > I’m familiar with beserk-o. Sucks for everyone. And for her too. With > him being 10 and less dependent on her already, the idea of him > spending even *less* time with her is probably really scary to her. > Not that it’s right, but there it is.

I’m sure you’re right.  She also bought a house in another county (without telling me) & plans to move there next year (without telling me–too bad for her he can talk!). And ironically (or is it just unexpected?) I find the idea of him going off to college to be somewhat enthralling… > My son just yesterday talked about finding a pen-pal. We looked at > http://www.ks-connection.org/home.cfm but your son meets the criteria > (10, boy) so they could write if he’s interested. > lm

He likes to talk–a lot–so I’ll let him know.   — If I have to die–let it be as a blonde.    –Track of the MoonBeast. Paul!  Paul!  Help me, Paul!    –Track of the Moonbeast.

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Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent’s post: > Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: > " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s more > deserving." > "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" > "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." > "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." > He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make so many > promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ > He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh!

And I wonder what he tells her about what /you/ say.

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In article <Xns9566400043E07fkjdlkvjcxoiuarep…@68.6.19.6>, a…@at.org says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: > " If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s more > deserving." > "All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" > "Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." > "If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." > He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make so > many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ > He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh!

i hate people that take their baggage out on their kids. I just want to punch them in the fuckin mouth. yet if anyone confronted her on her verbal abuse, she wouldn’t know what you were talking about. — I promise to spank the plank daily.

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:18:04 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >news:qs5jk0h5cfd2mb7qp46m6aj77lh3sb31u3@4ax.com: >> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:13:57 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" >> <a…@at.org> wrote: >>>Here’s a partial list of things she tells the kid: >>>" If you go to live with your father I’m going to adopt a child who’s >>>more deserving." >>>"All you do is poop in my toilet & make stinkie poops!" >>>"Promise me you’ll never go & live with your father." >>>"If you go to live with your father I’ll be all alone." >>>He says, ‘My mom stabs me with guilt’, ‘I wish I didn’t have to make >>>so many promises’, ‘I only stay there because I feel sorry for her.’ >>>He’s 10 and he feels sorry for her–yeesh! >> Who’s mom is this?! He’s 10 and she says things like "stinkie poops" >> to him?! >> I’ve got one same age whose father has said the same kinds of things >> and worse. >I’m sorry, it’s very hard, and you can’t just show up in court and say what >an ass he/she is, you have to ‘prove’ it. >>The child is stuck between parents, even if only one parent >> is actively sticking him. He needs someone neutral to talk to. I had >> to go to court to get my boys into therapy because we shared legal >> custody and he wouldn’t allow it. But it was essential. Even if the >> dad (is this your kid?!) is doing his best to remain neutral, the kid >> still feels like he’s betraying one parent when confiding in the >> other. He needs a neutral person to talk to in confidence. Or a "kids >> of divorce" group at school? >> lm >Thanks, I’ll look into it.  Yes, I’m referring to my half-insane >xwife…she’s a real fookin’ loon.  I’m going to try to get full custody >with her just having visitation, too. My son is bright & articulate, so he >could definitely testify on his own behalf in court.  In California there’s >no set minimum age where a child can choose which parent he wants to live >with.

Careful with that though, it’s a terrible thing to ask a child to do. >I suggested to her that he spend more time with me  & less with her, and >she went beserk-o.

I’m familiar with beserk-o. Sucks for everyone. And for her too. With him being 10 and less dependent on her already, the idea of him spending even *less* time with her is probably really scary to her. Not that it’s right, but there it is. My son just yesterday talked about finding a pen-pal. We looked at http://www.ks-connection.org/home.cfm but your son meets the criteria (10, boy) so they could write if he’s interested. lm

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NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life.

I saw this in the paper.  Blech.  What will she do when the zoos and such leave and she’s getting bile spat on her?  Sure, she’s had bile on her before, but at least it was her own. Deanna

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NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Susan Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.  

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NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life.

Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl.

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But she’ll be a great Mommy, she’s *even* done babysitting!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl. But she’ll be a great Mommy, she’s *even* done babysitting!!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl. But she’ll be a great Mommy, she’s *even* done babysitting!!

You know, if she really needs something permanent, she should buy a granite sculpture.  Or get an escort on retainer, so she can avoid being lonely or whatever.   Now that I’m thinking about it, isn’t an Oscar pretty clsoe to permanent?  Can’t she cuddle that and take it for walks? Michelle

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Well let’s just hope she dresses the kid better than she dresses herself. Susan Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl. Well let’s just hope she dresses the kid better than she dresses herself.

The minute I saw her dress I cringed and wondered just what she had done to offend the designer. I reckon the best dressed was probably Helen Mirren, although I actually liked Halle Berry’s outfit too. Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Susan Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl. Well let’s just hope she dresses the kid better than she dresses herself. The minute I saw her dress I cringed and wondered just what she had done to offend the designer.

No kidding! It was almost as much a mess as Cameron Diaz’s hair. I reckon the best dressed was probably Helen Mirren, although I actually liked Halle Berry’s outfit too.

Yeah, me too. I thought Jennifer Lopez looked fabulous as did Helen Hunt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Helen Susan Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

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So she should get a dog or cat… — Johnny

NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Susan Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

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Weird that Paltry Gwyneth considers babies as "permanent". I hadn’t noticed. I thought they grew up. Well, the rich are different . . .

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  Oh puke. Ghoulagirl. "He went after her like she was made out of ham!"                 – From "Best In Show"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl.

  OUT! Ghoulagirl. "He went after her like she was made out of ham!"                 – From "Best In Show"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl. But she’ll be a great Mommy, she’s *even* done babysitting!!

  She’ll be a PERFECT adoptive mother, since Di and her pals claim that aparents are just long-term babysitters. Ghoulagirl. "He went after her like she was made out of ham!"                 – From "Best In Show"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl. But she’ll be a great Mommy, she’s *even* done babysitting!!

  Isn’t that the only thing that matters – getting Gwynnie’s "needs" met? Ghoulagirl. "He went after her like she was made out of ham!"                 – From "Best In Show"

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NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life.

She should get a puppy! OK, even I’m starting to see the trend in Hollywood towards children becoming fashion accessories.  At least Camryn Manheim and Jody Foster had the guts to get pregnant themselves.  Gwyneth has the money, she can buy sperm.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl.

Her taste in clothes, as recently exhibited at the Oscars, should be reason enough to deny  her the "right" to a baby. Marley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked  on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The  "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering  adopting a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo  and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl. But she’ll be a great Mommy, she’s *even* done babysitting!! Weird that Paltry Gwyneth considers babies as "permanent". I hadn’t noticed. I thought they grew up. Well, the rich are different . . .

She must be watching too many Maury, "Help, my 13 year old wants a baby" shows where some overweight middle school girl wants a similar permanent fixture in her life so "somebody will love me." Marley

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Hehehehehehe… yeah that’s true… I guess the next best choice would be to find and keep a husband? Oh wait, that’s not right either… shouldn’t she be looking for a lesbian lover?  Now THAT’S the rage! I don’t really know if she’s even married or ever has been married, nor do I care.  Following Hollywood is not my thing… The only thing I know for sure about Hollywood, there ain’t nothing permanent.  Everything is the newest rage or thing.  I think what we are all hoping for, is that adoption doesn’t become the latest rage or thing to do, and then tossed to the wayside like yesterdays "Variety". — Johnny

So she should get a dog or cat…

Nah, they’re only good for ’bout 12-14 years.  A real live baby doll is what she wants.  It’s all the rage!

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Correct, they do.  They also provide the feeling of permanence, and love that some people crave.  She is not a bad person.  She just has fucked up views of why she wants to be a parent.  The best reason to adopt an animal is to have something to love, and to love you.

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You know, she wants one to keep…for real, forever, ya know permanent-like. All her friends have one so she should have a baby too!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NY POST/LIZ SMITH… GWYNETH PALTROW doesn’t care if the world didn’t like the way she looked on Oscar night. She has bigger fish to fry than how she looks. The "Shakespeare in Love" Oscar winner is telling friends she is seriously considering adopting  a baby. Gwyneth often takes the kids of her pals to movies or to the zoo and even baby-sits. She feels now she needs something permanent in her life. Oh geez….I’m gonna hurl.  Well let’s just hope she dresses the kid better than she dresses herself. Susan Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

Get real! Matching see-through outfits or whatever it was she had on are the rage…very Mommy and me!

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…..plenty of people "adopt" puppies from the pound just to dump them back there when they’re sick of them…..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll bet there were hundreds of people who called to adopt the surviving puppies too.  We now advertise children on the news and on the web so they can find foster and/or adoptive homes for them.  Most don’t find adoptive homes and bounce from foster home to foster home. Shame on us, indeed.  In the United States of America in the year 2001 someone who callously and cruelly tosses puppies into a garbage bin gets sentenced to jail and is (rightly) condemned for their action.  OTOH, in the same place and at the same time, someone with a medical degree who likewise callously and cruelly kills innocent unborn babies, typically by dismembering them or burning them to death with chemical solutions, for a living probably earns in the hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, lives in fine accommodations, drives a fine car, generally lives "the good life" and in many cases has a mother who boasts, "My son, the DOCTOR!"  Shame on America and shame on us. Tuesday, May 1, 2001 Accused puppy dumper gets year in jail By CHARNA MAMLOK Norwich Bulletin NORWICH — The man accused of abandoning a litter of puppies in a Dumpster last year will spend one year in jail, beginning Friday. Timothy Gagne pleaded guilty in Norwich Superior Court Monday to four counts of cruelty to animals. In January 2000, the puppies were found abandoned in a trash bin in Norwich. A passer-by found the animals, but by that time, six of the 11 had already died. "I really wish that if he didn’t want the pups that he gave them to the Humane Society," Oakdale resident Kathy Kissack said. Kissack and her husband Raymond Coggeshall adopted Sadie, one of the surviving dogs. "I shudder to think what it must have been like for those puppies," Kissack said. More than one year after the puppy rescue, Kissack said Sadie is doing well, despite a dislocated hip. "(Doctors) think that probably was the result of being dropped in a Dumpster," she said. On Monday, Gagne had appeared in court and then left without telling his lawyer, Deputy Assistant State’s Attorney David Smith said. Subsequently, Norwich Superior Court Judge Kevin Dubay ordered a re-arrest for Gagne, who voluntarily returned later in the day, Smith said. "The re-arrest was issued, but vacated," Smith said. Monday afternoon, Dubay sentenced Gagne to a four-year prison term, suspended after one year, meaning Gagne will be released from jail after serving one year. Gagne also will be put on three years probation after his prison term and is to have no contact with animals. "We’re happy that he’s at least getting a year in jail," animal advocate Susan Ponder said. Ponder said she and other animal advocates have been following Gagne’s case since it began. They have carried signs in front of Norwich Superior Court when Gagne was scheduled to appear. http://www.americanpatrol.org http.www.steinreport.com http://www.fairus.org ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

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  In the United States of America in the year 2001 someone who callously and cruelly tosses puppies into a garbage bin gets sentenced to jail and is (rightly) condemned for their action.   OTOH, in the same place and at the same time, someone with a medical degree who likewise callously and cruelly kills innocent unborn babies, typically by dismembering them or burning them to death with chemical solutions, for a living probably earns in the hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, lives in fine accommodations, drives a fine car, generally lives "the good life" and in many cases has a mother who boasts, "My son, the DOCTOR!"   Shame on America and shame on us. Tuesday, May 1, 2001 Accused puppy dumper gets year in jail By CHARNA MAMLOK Norwich Bulletin NORWICH — The man accused of abandoning a litter of puppies in a Dumpster last year will spend one year in jail, beginning Friday. Timothy Gagne pleaded guilty in Norwich Superior Court Monday to four counts of cruelty to animals. In January 2000, the puppies were found abandoned in a trash bin in Norwich. A passer-by found the animals, but by that time, six of the 11 had already died. "I really wish that if he didn’t want the pups that he gave them to the Humane Society," Oakdale resident Kathy Kissack said. Kissack and her husband Raymond Coggeshall adopted Sadie, one of the surviving dogs. "I shudder to think what it must have been like for those puppies," Kissack said. More than one year after the puppy rescue, Kissack said Sadie is doing well, despite a dislocated hip. "(Doctors) think that probably was the result of being dropped in a Dumpster," she said. On Monday, Gagne had appeared in court and then left without telling his lawyer, Deputy Assistant State’s Attorney David Smith said. Subsequently, Norwich Superior Court Judge Kevin Dubay ordered a re-arrest for Gagne, who voluntarily returned later in the day, Smith said. "The re-arrest was issued, but vacated," Smith said. Monday afternoon, Dubay sentenced Gagne to a four-year prison term, suspended after one year, meaning Gagne will be released from jail after serving one year. Gagne also will be put on three years probation after his prison term and is to have no contact with animals. "We’re happy that he’s at least getting a year in jail," animal advocate Susan Ponder said. Ponder said she and other animal advocates have been following Gagne’s case since it began. They have carried signs in front of Norwich Superior Court when Gagne was scheduled to appear. http://www.americanpatrol.org http.www.steinreport.com http://www.fairus.org ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

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I’ll bet there were hundreds of people who called to adopt the surviving puppies too.  We now advertise children on the news and on the web so they can find foster and/or adoptive homes for them.  Most don’t find adoptive homes and bounce from foster home to foster home. Shame on us, indeed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  In the United States of America in the year 2001 someone who callously and cruelly tosses puppies into a garbage bin gets sentenced to jail and is (rightly) condemned for their action.  OTOH, in the same place and at the same time, someone with a medical degree who likewise callously and cruelly kills innocent unborn babies, typically by dismembering them or burning them to death with chemical solutions, for a living probably earns in the hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, lives in fine accommodations, drives a fine car, generally lives "the good life" and in many cases has a mother who boasts, "My son, the DOCTOR!"  Shame on America and shame on us. Tuesday, May 1, 2001 Accused puppy dumper gets year in jail By CHARNA MAMLOK Norwich Bulletin NORWICH — The man accused of abandoning a litter of puppies in a Dumpster last year will spend one year in jail, beginning Friday. Timothy Gagne pleaded guilty in Norwich Superior Court Monday to four counts of cruelty to animals. In January 2000, the puppies were found abandoned in a trash bin in Norwich. A passer-by found the animals, but by that time, six of the 11 had already died. "I really wish that if he didn’t want the pups that he gave them to the Humane Society," Oakdale resident Kathy Kissack said. Kissack and her husband Raymond Coggeshall adopted Sadie, one of the surviving dogs. "I shudder to think what it must have been like for those puppies," Kissack said. More than one year after the puppy rescue, Kissack said Sadie is doing well, despite a dislocated hip. "(Doctors) think that probably was the result of being dropped in a Dumpster," she said. On Monday, Gagne had appeared in court and then left without telling his lawyer, Deputy Assistant State’s Attorney David Smith said. Subsequently, Norwich Superior Court Judge Kevin Dubay ordered a re-arrest for Gagne, who voluntarily returned later in the day, Smith said. "The re-arrest was issued, but vacated," Smith said. Monday afternoon, Dubay sentenced Gagne to a four-year prison term, suspended after one year, meaning Gagne will be released from jail after serving one year. Gagne also will be put on three years probation after his prison term and is to have no contact with animals. "We’re happy that he’s at least getting a year in jail," animal advocate Susan Ponder said. Ponder said she and other animal advocates have been following Gagne’s case since it began. They have carried signs in front of Norwich Superior Court when Gagne was scheduled to appear. http://www.americanpatrol.org http.www.steinreport.com http://www.fairus.org ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

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This is just heart breaking! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  In the United States of America in the year 2001 someone who callously and cruelly tosses puppies into a garbage bin gets sentenced to jail and is (rightly) condemned for their action.  OTOH, in the same place and at the same time, someone with a medical degree who likewise callously and cruelly kills innocent unborn babies, typically by dismembering them or burning them to death with chemical solutions, for a living probably earns in the hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, lives in fine accommodations, drives a fine car, generally lives "the good life" and in many cases has a mother who boasts, "My son, the DOCTOR!"  Shame on America and shame on us. Tuesday, May 1, 2001 Accused puppy dumper gets year in jail By CHARNA MAMLOK Norwich Bulletin NORWICH — The man accused of abandoning a litter of puppies in a Dumpster last year will spend one year in jail, beginning Friday. Timothy Gagne pleaded guilty in Norwich Superior Court Monday to four counts of cruelty to animals. In January 2000, the puppies were found abandoned in a trash bin in Norwich. A passer-by found the animals, but by that time, six of the 11 had already died. "I really wish that if he didn’t want the pups that he gave them to the Humane Society," Oakdale resident Kathy Kissack said. Kissack and her husband Raymond Coggeshall adopted Sadie, one of the surviving dogs. "I shudder to think what it must have been like for those puppies," Kissack said. More than one year after the puppy rescue, Kissack said Sadie is doing well, despite a dislocated hip. "(Doctors) think that probably was the result of being dropped in a Dumpster," she said. On Monday, Gagne had appeared in court and then left without telling his lawyer, Deputy Assistant State’s Attorney David Smith said. Subsequently, Norwich Superior Court Judge Kevin Dubay ordered a re-arrest for Gagne, who voluntarily returned later in the day, Smith said. "The re-arrest was issued, but vacated," Smith said. Monday afternoon, Dubay sentenced Gagne to a four-year prison term, suspended after one year, meaning Gagne will be released from jail after serving one year. Gagne also will be put on three years probation after his prison term and is to have no contact with animals. "We’re happy that he’s at least getting a year in jail," animal advocate Susan Ponder said. Ponder said she and other animal advocates have been following Gagne’s case since it began. They have carried signs in front of Norwich Superior Court when Gagne was scheduled to appear. http://www.americanpatrol.org http.www.steinreport.com http://www.fairus.org ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

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Hi hun.. hugs.. cause your feeling real confused inside and cause I see some good things and not so good things and some of me a bit in your words too.. and tis good you got alot of this out… kay scroll please.. "S_Hards" <S_Ha…@email.msn.com> wrote in message

news:ek9dJs5bAHA.321@cpmsnbbsa09… >     Hello all.  I am feeling seriously depressed, seriously lonely, and > having very bad thoughts go through my head.  Christmas was not good for I > learned to much about my past and my present.  It just dawned on me it was > kind of like the Scrooge thing.  I went to my aunt’s house first off to be > with my mothers side of the family (she wasn’t there, she is going to jail, > her husband and her are dead beats)

these are the people that took money from you and have used you after you got out of the military, right?.. and yet your still making an effort to be with them for holidays are for family, it show’s your a forgiving person and at least your making an effort.. but these things with family that make you feel bad about you, are very hard on your spirit.. I know this myself. but they are not you, and you will never be like them, your better than this inside and it shows.. kay and I listened to my cousins divide up > my grandparents possessions with my grandparents in the other room. To make > things worse they even asked my Grandfather how he would remove a door with > antique glass in it.  That is the door that leads to there bed room. That > upset me, then I learned what my mother told my grandparents and why she is > in court for identity theft, she lied to them she is saying it was a > clerical error.

Oh. I remember my own family arguing over another’s possetions and twas my own grandparents things that made me so angry.. this thing of selfishness born of other’s possessions simply to sell them off and make money rather than treasure them for they are born of your heredity makes you want to scream at them that they need therapy… Why when you have not earned them and are you forgeting the people who are still alive.. these things are theirs.  To have them in the next room.. I would have been screaming inside of myself too.. your ok.. you just love your grandparents like your supposed to and you don’t like to see them being taken advantage of.. do you? You can not change other’s.. however you can change how you react to them.. what did you do or say when you got upset? And.. your not your mother, and in some ways in your mother’s mind she was perhaps trying to protect them from their anguish, or maybe in her youth she was afraid to tell them the truth.. I don’t know the whole picture from this.. your mother sounds like she was broken somewhere along the line too.. however You are not your parents.. You can do better than this if you keep doing just what your doing… looking within to find your own answers and grow you better from the triggers they created in your personality by understanding and facing them instead of denying them.. YOU KNOW MY GREATEST FEAR RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!  That sometime > in the future I am going to end up with her living with me and it will be > like Les Nessman off of WKRP or Howard Spray on Andy Griffith. Anyhow, my > mom’s oldest sister knows the truth about what is going on which helps a > little.  I also learned that I could have had a older/younger brother/sister > but something happened I don’t know what or when.  It SUCKS being a only > child, so much pressure it seems to do things.

hugs.. I’m sorry.. you got information overwhelmed.. and a lot of pain that your not even mentioning yet but touching upon.. but I feel it eminating.. You say No to ever living with her.. she is a woman that will pull you down back into your child, she will be destructive to you, she is not the kind of woman you seek.. she’s the opposite and a very bad roll model for ya… NO is the best and most affirmative answer for your own internal welfare. This is the reason we have personal care homes and she is an adult and responsible for herself and only herself in reality. You have no real responsibility to your parents actually, they were given a gift of you.. the key is did they appriciate the gift that God gave them.. and if they didn’t.. tis time for you to appreciate yourself a bit.. kay.. You have value and worth seperate from them.. know this. How many times I have heard "Honor thy Father and Mother".. perhaps God did not forsee the reality that not all father and mother’s were honorable in reality for the future of "He the Father’s Children".. maybe the key is Honor God the Father who is also our "Mother", and leave flesh out of it in bad parenting. >     Then I go to my dad’s mother in laws house.  Talk about being awkward, I > didn’t really know anyone there.  The mother in law considers me a > grandchild and asks me if I am seeing anyone.  Then they all comment that I > should be able to get a girl with my new truck.

um.. so, they believe and they teach you that what you own.. like um.. a vehicle which depreciates more than any other merchandise we can ever purchase or own.. had value in getting a woman for the long run.. hey.. yo.. your making payment’s right, and paying rent too.. .. what do you have left over? You however don’t depreciate.. you grow inside of you into what you can be if you shed a bit of yesterdays "I can’t for look at them or those that bore me" inside of you. The key is you.. you can do what you dream, but you must dream it for you, be worthy of it and seek it wholeheartedly.. kay hun.. you don’t want that kind of woman anyway.. it’s not about what you have.. it’s about who you are inside.. kay.. for the you inside can become what you invision and dream.. it’s a battle against yourself, but you can win against the pain of yesterdays. Here’s my opinion, if you even try to impress ladies with a fancy truck .. <and.. I’ve seen girls that look at what people own, not the person inside go goofy when you have nothing.. they don’t sustain relationships.. kay> I’ve had people try to impress me with fancy cars, some even in my family.. hey.. it gets you from point A to point B.. but what does that peice of metal have to do with the value of you inside..  I understand the man side of it though.. kinda like how a little boy likes a car or a tank or a truck for Christmas.. it’s inbred I think.. giggle ..but like Shania sings.. that don’t impress me much.. >That is just what I needed > to hear especially when I trying to build up enough courage to call an old > friend ( I miss her but I don’t want to hurt her ) >     You see she has/had a boy friend that is/was extremely jealous, they > could even be married now but I doubt it.  He would hurt her animals > whenever they would fight then make up by finding a hurt animal somewhere to > bring to her to heal and adopt.  How can I compete (poor word don’t like > that term) with that when my apartment doesn’t allow pets?

Hey.. Yo.. he hurts animals.. and what will he do to her if they should marry? Save her .. be there for her.. listen to her.. be a freind no matter what.. she doesn’t see how destructive this man will end up being in reality.. WHO CARES IF YOU CAN HAVE PETS.. she’s full of compassion.. and he’s playing her for a fool.. How will you feel in 5 or 10 years to hear he beat her and their children? What of her parenting.. does she feel she deserves such abuse..  if you love her.. give her value inside of herself and let her know you will never let that part of her go that you love.. the person she is.. and that no matter what.. your there for her to run to.. as freind if nothing else.. He sounds like he will destroy her emotionally and I think you sense this.. don’t you? Walk away from her and she’s as good as dead internally and she won’t ever grow past this actually to become what you both can be independent yet strong in the freindship that never goes away .. it’s solid.. and when one comes from liquid relationships.. solid is desirable always and forever.. kay >     Tomorrow I have to spend time with my dad and his wife and put up with > his criticism about everything that I do.  Tell me would you base your > apartment/house choice on a toilet, he does.

<grin> only if one does not have one, I would ask where the outhouse was.. giggle gee.. if that’s the value.. you should see my bathroom.. my puppy thought their was a bone burried under the lenolium <sp>.. so he did some treasure hunting.. and I have a whole floor now to replace because of him.. <grin> Don’t listen to him.. what has he achieved in his life that you will not actually go much further in reality.. however.. right now.. your in the rough time because other’s took advantage of you.. kay >     I am sorry for going on like this but I have no one right now, I could > call my best friend but I know that she is with her family and they have had > a trying Christmas too.

it’s ok.. vent.. get it out .. if you have no place to do this.. this is a place that is safe to let go of it inside of you.. and tis many more than me that can listen.. maybe reply and help a bit with their input.. but don’t give up.. kay Your simply better than them.. >     I got frustrated enough that I hurt my hand, some of my dad coming out > in me but I don’t hit living objects and then I feel guilty.

This I understand, I was raised with a heavy hand.. I won’t hit my kids or people.. but when I get very angry and the chain snaps that I try so hard to break.. I have hit things or broken things and hurt myself too.. but to hit another human is wrong if it’s done in anger.. part of your trigger.. the value is.. you see it.. you don’t react as they did.. and even if you hit something inanimate.. or threw something to break it.. you hurt no one.. but your guilt of the memories of their anger sustains.. but.. the fact.. your human and you were taught all wrong is real and valid.. and you will have these self punishing outbursts.. but your stopping it from ever transferring to … read more »

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    Hello all.  I am feeling seriously depressed, seriously lonely, and having very bad thoughts go through my head.  Christmas was not good for I learned to much about my past and my present.  It just dawned on me it was kind of like the Scrooge thing.  I went to my aunt’s house first off to be with my mothers side of the family (she wasn’t there, she is going to jail, her husband and her are dead beats) and I listened to my cousins divide up my grandparents possessions with my grandparents in the other room.  To make things worse they even asked my Grandfather how he would remove a door with antique glass in it.  That is the door that leads to there bed room.  That upset me, then I learned what my mother told my grandparents and why she is in court for identity theft, she lied to them she is saying it was a clerical error.  YOU KNOW MY GREATEST FEAR RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!  That sometime in the future I am going to end up with her living with me and it will be like Les Nessman off of WKRP or Howard Spray on Andy Griffith.  Anyhow, my mom’s oldest sister knows the truth about what is going on which helps a little.  I also learned that I could have had a older/younger brother/sister but something happened I don’t know what or when.  It SUCKS being a only child, so much pressure it seems to do things.     Then I go to my dad’s mother in laws house.  Talk about being awkward, I didn’t really know anyone there.  The mother in law considers me a grandchild and asks me if I am seeing anyone.  Then they all comment that I should be able to get a girl with my new truck.  That is just what I needed to hear especially when I trying to build up enough courage to call an old friend ( I miss her but I don’t want to hurt her )     You see she has/had a boy friend that is/was extremely jealous, they could even be married now but I doubt it.  He would hurt her animals whenever they would fight then make up by finding a hurt animal somewhere to bring to her to heal and adopt.  How can I compete (poor word don’t like that term) with that when my apartment doesn’t allow pets?     Tomorrow I have to spend time with my dad and his wife and put up with his criticism about everything that I do.  Tell me would you base your apartment/house choice on a toilet, he does.     I am sorry for going on like this but I have no one right now, I could call my best friend but I know that she is with her family and they have had a trying Christmas too.     I got frustrated enough that I hurt my hand, some of my dad coming out in me but I don’t hit living objects and then I feel guilty.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – join in or start a new thread. i provided information relevant to this group about tax consequences of marriage, and lizliz began her moaning about not being able to legally get married. boo hoo. I think it’s very funny that you publicly are insensitive and rude about the prospect of same sex unions when you in the same post publicly advertise a candidate that is explicitly supporting the Green platform that will promote and uphold legislation for same sex unions in all states. There are dedicated Republicans who are Pro-Choice (Tom Ridge and Christine Todd Whitman, for example) despite the GOP party platform and there are dedicated Democrats (the late PA governor Casey, for example) who are adamently Pro-Life despite their party platform.  It isn’t possible to pidgeonhole people into a stereotype based solely on a single issue on the platform of their political party of choice.

True, but it’s funny that he’s so militant about one specific aspect to the point that he goes out of his way to bring it to others’ attention.  If he’s that incredibly unhappy about a plank of that platform, perhaps he shouldn’t be advertising it — either his personal politics, his aligned politics or both — in a non-political forum. <shrug.

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Correct, You could do away with the whole marriage penalty/bonus argument rather simply by abolishing the whole filing status issue, and make anyone who had any significant income file an individual tax return. Spouses could just allocate deductions and exemptions from children to each other. Spouses or other partners would not be considered dependents for income tax purposes.

The problem with this are the other ‘assets’ of marriage.  Who takes the deduction for mortgage interest?  Who takes the capital gains hit? If a couple has technically joined their finances and assets, it seems silly to try and tax them individually.  Just a thought. This is such a complex issue that there are really no simple answers within the current system.  I wish that there was not marriage penalty or bonus.  I just haven’t seen a reasonable solution to get us there. Jennifer Before you buy.

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So her commenting that she’s unable to legally marry the person she loves makes her "pushing the homosexual agenda" and makes her purpose to "snipe and troll"?? There was nothing "trolling" about what she said, and she most certainly has as much right to be in this ng discussing weddings as anyone else, whether straight, gay, or some combination! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – uh, sus&bri, you should know that lizliz is pushing the homosexual agenda and since she can’t get "married" her only purpose in being in this newsgroup is to snipe and troll — www.votenader.org

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uh, sus&bri, you should know that lizliz is pushing the homosexual agenda and since she can’t get "married" her only purpose in being in this newsgroup is to snipe and troll

Heh.  Whereas you pass along talk-radio pap as fact. Glad to have you BOTH here.  :-) So, tell us, what do your ‘advisors’ tell you about WHY ‘our friend’ is considering vetoing this pandering piece of legislation? — Joe Pucillo                                     http://www.JoePucillo.com Baltimore, Maryland  USA To reply by email, please remove the .xx from the address.

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So, tell us, what do your ‘advisors’ tell you about WHY ‘our friend’ is considering vetoing this pandering piece of legislation?

Probably because of the plethora of amendments attached to the legislation in order to appease someone or pork another congressman’senator’s district and which typically have absolutely nothing to do with the original bill. Give me a gas tax repeal!

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uh, sus&bri, you should know that lizliz is pushing the homosexual agenda and since she can’t get "married" her only purpose in being in this newsgroup is to snipe and troll

Hey, uh, how about you don’t use my name in messages full of completely nasty and irrelevant content, okay?  I’m so grateful that we have you to clear things up for us that otherwise we just wouldn’t understand, but leave me out of it!  I am not interested in your hate. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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sus&bri – I do not "hate" anything except people who adopt an attitude akin to moaning about a lost puppy at a funeral. join in or start a new thread. i provided information relevant to this group about tax consequences of marriage, and lizliz began her moaning about not being able to legally get married. boo hoo. And the stated reason that the president wants to veto the bill is because it would "cost 248 billion dollars." And yet this same man claims we have a 1.9 TRILLION dollar surplus. He has also said he would sign a watered down version of the marriage penalty bill if the house passes the democrat version of a medicare drug plan, since he also wants to veto the republican version. So he wants to gamble with seniors’ lives and your money to make a political point. — www.votenader.org

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join in or start a new thread. i provided information relevant to this group about tax consequences of marriage, and lizliz began her moaning about not being able to legally get married. boo hoo.

I think it’s very funny that you publicly are insensitive and rude about the prospect of same sex unions when you in the same post publicly advertise a candidate that is explicitly supporting the Green platform that will promote and uphold legislation for same sex unions in all states. And the stated reason that the president wants to veto the bill is because it would "cost 248 billion dollars." And yet this same man claims we have a 1.9 TRILLION dollar surplus. He has also said he would sign a watered down version of the marriage penalty bill if the house passes the democrat version of a medicare drug plan, since he also wants to veto the republican version. So he wants to gamble with seniors’ lives and your money to make a political point.

And you are being rude about people even in opposition to your own chosen party’s platform because….? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — www.votenader.org

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join in or start a new thread. i provided information relevant to this group about tax consequences of marriage, and lizliz began her moaning about not being able to legally get married. boo hoo. I think it’s very funny that you publicly are insensitive and rude about the prospect of same sex unions when you in the same post publicly advertise a candidate that is explicitly supporting the Green platform that will promote and uphold legislation for same sex unions in all states.

There are dedicated Republicans who are Pro-Choice (Tom Ridge and Christine Todd Whitman, for example) despite the GOP party platform and there are dedicated Democrats (the late PA governor Casey, for example) who are adamently Pro-Life despite their party platform.  It isn’t possible to pidgeonhole people into a stereotype based solely on a single issue on the platform of their political party of choice.

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uh, sus&bri, you should know that lizliz is pushing the homosexual agenda and since she can’t get "married" her only purpose in being in this newsgroup is to snipe and troll — www.votenader.org

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uh, sus&bri, you should know that lizliz is pushing the homosexual agenda and since she can’t get "married" her only purpose in being in this newsgroup is to snipe and troll — www.votenader.org

hey, Mark, according to the Green Party platform (http://www.gp.org/platform/gpp2000.txt) 2. We, as Greens, are committed to establishing relationships that honor diversity; that support the self-definition and SELF-DETERMINATION of all people; and that consciously confront the barriers of racism, sexism, homophobia, class oppression, ageism, and the many ways our culture separates us from working together to define and solve our common problems. 3. We affirm the right to openly embrace SEXUAL ORIENTATION in the intimate choice of who we love. 4. We support the rights of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people in housing, jobs, civil marriage and benefits, child custody – and in all areas of life, the right to be treated equally with all other people. So perhaps if you don’t agree with that organization, you shouldn’t advertise them. Mark’s pretty amusing, if you ask me.

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Correct, You could do away with the whole marriage penalty/bonus argument rather simply by abolishing the whole filing status issue, and make anyone who had any significant income file an individual tax return. Spouses could just allocate deductions and exemptions from children to each other. Spouses or other partners would not be considered dependents for income tax purposes. Married couples with a non-working spouse would pay a somewhat more tax under this scheme, as would two-earner couples where one made a lot more than the other. Married couples with two (relatively) high incomes would pay a less. On balance the total tax collected would be lower because even though more people would see their taxes go up than down, the people who paid less tax would pay a whole lot less. Don’t look for this as a serious proposal from any politician. Democrats don’t like it because the benefits go to high income groups. Republicans can’t touch it because it would provide a bigger incentive for mothers to work (they would effectively keep more of their income) So to immunize themselves they structure their proposals to give every married person a further tax break, including the ones who are already receiving a bonus. But this is getting way way off topic. But I do know people who will not get married because their tax bill would go up by $10,000 or more. And I know women who do not work because they would keep so little of their earnings its just not worthwhile. Brian (who is not an accountant, but married to one!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Josie, To get a marriage bonus it useually takes only one spouse of the marriage to work.  The marriage penalty peaks when both spouses make about the same income and the higher there incomes are. Don’t assume that you will necessarily pay more taxes. Always figure your taxes as "married filing jointly" and "married filing separately" to see which allows you the greater benefit. "Married filing separately" is not the same as filing as single persons. Of course it isn’t.  My point was:  You hear about the marriage penalty, but until you compute your taxes for your income/deductions, you don’t *know* with certainty you will indeed have a marriage penalty. You (generic you) may be pleasantly surprised to find you have a marriage BONUS.  MFS and MFJ are the only options available to couples that are married, so the single category doesn’t enter into it. Far from it, as a matter of fact.  "Married filing separately" is more often worse than "married filing jointly." This completely depends on the incomes and available deductions for both parties, and often even the state of residence when the total tax obligation is considered. — JM — Sincerely, Dennis Altman Wedmart.com http://www.wedmart.com 888-802-2229

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Josie, To get a marriage bonus it useually takes only one spouse of the marriage to work.  The marriage penalty peaks when both spouses make about the same income and the higher there incomes are. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t assume that you will necessarily pay more taxes.  Always figure your taxes as "married filing jointly" and "married filing separately" to see which allows you the greater benefit. "Married filing separately" is not the same as filing as single persons. Of course it isn’t.  My point was:  You hear about the marriage penalty, but until you compute your taxes for your income/deductions, you don’t *know* with certainty you will indeed have a marriage penalty. You (generic you) may be pleasantly surprised to find you have a marriage BONUS.  MFS and MFJ are the only options available to couples that are married, so the single category doesn’t enter into it. Far from it, as a matter of fact.  "Married filing separately" is more often worse than "married filing jointly." This completely depends on the incomes and available deductions for both parties, and often even the state of residence when the total tax obligation is considered. — JM

– Sincerely, Dennis Altman Wedmart.com http://www.wedmart.com 888-802-2229

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Excellent post.  I would surmise that by-and-large, most people will pay less tax being married than being single.  I know we will (by a huge margin). -L.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Despite his forecast multi-trillion dollar surpluses, he doesn’t think the government can spare enough money to treat married couples fairly. The flip side of the coin is that the "marriage penalty" affects roughly 40% of married taxpayers. The majority of married couples actually get a marriage *bonus* or fall into a "no net gain or loss" gap.  USA Today had an excellent feature on this within the past year, but I can’t seem to find it in their archives. They had a great graphic to go along with the story that featured several different "typical" scenarios — different income ranges, one spouse working/the other not, rent vs. own, etc. It did the best job I’ve ever seen in putting the numbers side by side. Someone with better search skills may be able to locate the article.  The longer feature went into the details of how the marriage penalty evolved from the 1960s-70s efforts to correct an unfair "singles penalty" when the tax code favored http://www.money.com/money/depts/taxes/yourtaxes/archive/9810.penalty… http://www.money.com/money/columnists/tritch/archive/000331.html Face it: The tax code will never be fair or equitable.  I’m more upset about drug plan entitlements without any means testing and the greater disparity between the tax code for those with children vs. none.  Those are the items that will have a far greater drain on our personal wallets (and national expenditures) in the years to come. and if you want to pay more taxes after your wedding, you can thank him for the veto Don’t assume that you will necessarily pay more taxes.  Always figure your taxes as "married filing jointly" and "married filing separately" to see which allows you the greater benefit. — JM

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First of all, I don’t understand just why the heck the Government is (or has gotten) involved in the institution of Marriage in the first place!?!

Why not go research the issue and then come back and tell us when Government first got involved in the institution of marriage? Marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution for the most part, and IMHO needs to stay a part of religious community.

What do you do with all those pesky heathens who have no religious community?  Shouldn’t they be allowed to marry as well? :^) It’s the little things… Requiring Marriage ‘Licenses’

Why do you think they do that?  For that matter, why do they have birth certificates and death certificates? … Taxing Married persons more than singles…

Fact: Some married couples pay more than they would if single. More pay less. What about taxing childless couples more than than parents?  Why aren’t pensions and SS income tax at similar rates as income for 20-something households? Forcing us to wear seatbelts and helmets (for our own good)

Actually, that one is for my own good. I requested that personally so that I don’t have to  support the children left behind when the parent smears themself on the roadside for an involuntary ejection — or pay the electric bill for the machinery that will keep the Darwinn candidate on this side of the living. You can blame that one on me. — JM

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Don’t assume that you will necessarily pay more taxes.  Always figure your taxes as "married filing jointly" and "married filing separately" to see which allows you the greater benefit. "Married filing separately" is not the same as filing as single persons.

Of course it isn’t.  My point was:  You hear about the marriage penalty, but until you compute your taxes for your income/deductions, you don’t *know* with certainty you will indeed have a marriage penalty. You (generic you) may be pleasantly surprised to find you have a marriage BONUS.  MFS and MFJ are the only options available to couples that are married, so the single category doesn’t enter into it. Far from it, as a matter of fact.  "Married filing separately" is more often worse than "married filing jointly."    

This completely depends on the incomes and available deductions for both parties, and often even the state of residence when the total tax obligation is considered. — JM

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First of all, I don’t understand just why the heck the Government is (or has gotten) involved in the institution of Marriage in the first place!?! After all, what business is it of theirs who lives with whom, or what race, creed, color or religions can get married? Marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution for the most part, and IMHO needs to stay a part of religious community. I just don’t get why the government WOULD get involved except that they figured out ways to get money out of us for being married… For a country (USA) that spouts out that it has the best freedom in the world, we sure know how to strip it away peice-by-peice… It’s the little things… Requiring Marriage ‘Licenses’… Taxing Married persons more than singles… Forcing us to wear seatbelts and helmets (for our own good) and new ones like no using Cell Phones while driving… Not growing trees to tall or blocking someones ‘Views’ from their home or business… Even drugs… (which ALL used to be legal 100 years ago)… Little by little they are stipping them away, I think this proposal to end the marriage tax penalty is a good and sound one… Sure it will mean the government will collect ALOT less in taxes… But that’s a GOOD thing! DJ Alan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Despite his forecast multi-trillion dollar surpluses, he doesn’t think the government can spare enough money to treat married couples fairly. The flip side of the coin is that the "marriage penalty" affects roughly 40% of married taxpayers. The majority of married couples actually get a marriage *bonus* or fall into a "no net gain or loss" gap.  USA Today had an excellent feature on this within the past year, but I can’t seem to find it in their archives. They had a great graphic to go along with the story that featured several different "typical" scenarios — different income ranges, one spouse working/the other not, rent vs. own, etc.   It did the best job I’ve ever seen in putting the numbers side by side. Someone with better search skills may be able to locate the article.  The longer feature went into the details of how the marriage penalty evolved from the 1960s-70s efforts to correct an unfair "singles penalty" when the tax code favored http://www.money.com/money/depts/taxes/yourtaxes/archive/9810.penalty… http://www.money.com/money/columnists/tritch/archive/000331.html Face it: The tax code will never be fair or equitable.  I’m more upset about drug plan entitlements without any means testing and the greater disparity between the tax code for those with children vs. none.  Those are the items that will have a far greater drain on our personal wallets (and national expenditures) in the years to come. and if you want to pay more taxes after your wedding, you can thank him for the veto Don’t assume that you will necessarily pay more taxes.  Always figure your taxes as "married filing jointly" and "married filing separately" to see which allows you the greater benefit.

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Don’t assume that you will necessarily pay more taxes.  Always figure your taxes as "married filing jointly" and "married filing separately" to see which allows you the greater benefit.

"Married filing separately" is not the same as filing as single persons. Far from it, as a matter of fact.  "Married filing separately" is more often worse than "married filing jointly."     Sarah W.

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I guess you are right…but I’m looking at it in my case.  I live with a my partner.  Since we can’t legally marry (our wedding is ceremony only), I have to pay extra taxes so she can be on my health insurance, life insurance, etc.   I work for a company that provides benefits but the extra taxes I have to pay are enormous! I do see what you mean though… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um, what benefit for people who shack up without getting married? I don’t see my benefits rolling in the door…oh wait, that’s right, my family isn’t valued. The benefit is that (presumably) you live with your honey and so do I.  The difference is that I have a piece of paper that says I’m legally married, so I pay more in taxes.  Does that make sense?  The marriage tax is in place because of the idea that married couples are sharing expenses rather than individual singles who pay for everything on their own.  My point is that people who live together without the piece of paper share the same expenses, but pay less taxes.  This isn’t right! I appreciate your humor and I don’t mean to be sarcastic…but people do take the fact that they can even GET married for granted. Another issue altogether.  It’s probably true, and I think people should be "allowed" to married whomever they choose without the involvement of the government. No harm intended. And none done. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Despite his forecast multi-trillion dollar surpluses, he doesn’t think the government can spare enough money to treat married couples fairly.

The flip side of the coin is that the "marriage penalty" affects roughly 40% of married taxpayers. The majority of married couples actually get a marriage *bonus* or fall into a "no net gain or loss" gap.  USA Today had an excellent feature on this within the past year, but I can’t seem to find it in their archives. They had a great graphic to go along with the story that featured several different "typical" scenarios — different income ranges, one spouse working/the other not, rent vs. own, etc.   It did the best job I’ve ever seen in putting the numbers side by side. Someone with better search skills may be able to locate the article.  The longer feature went into the details of how the marriage penalty evolved from the 1960s-70s efforts to correct an unfair "singles penalty" when the tax code favored http://www.money.com/money/depts/taxes/yourtaxes/archive/9810.penalty… http://www.money.com/money/columnists/tritch/archive/000331.html Face it: The tax code will never be fair or equitable.  I’m more upset about drug plan entitlements without any means testing and the greater disparity between the tax code for those with children vs. none.  Those are the items that will have a far greater drain on our personal wallets (and national expenditures) in the years to come. and if you want to pay more taxes after your wedding, you can thank him for the veto

Don’t assume that you will necessarily pay more taxes.  Always figure your taxes as "married filing jointly" and "married filing separately" to see which allows you the greater benefit. — JM

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Um, what benefit for people who shack up without getting

married? I don’t see my benefits rolling in the door…oh wait, that’s right, my family isn’t valued.

The benefit is that (presumably) you live with your honey and so do I.  The difference is that I have a piece of paper that says I’m legally married, so I pay more in taxes.  Does that make sense?  The marriage tax is in place because of the idea that married couples are sharing expenses rather than individual singles who pay for everything on their own.  My point is that people who live together without the piece of paper share the same expenses, but pay less taxes.  This isn’t right! I appreciate your humor and I don’t mean to be sarcastic…but people do take the fact that they can even GET married for granted.

Another issue altogether.  It’s probably true, and I think people should be "allowed" to married whomever they choose without the involvement of the government. No harm intended.

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Um, what benefit for people who shack up without getting married? I don’t see my benefits rolling in the door…oh wait, that’s right, my family isn’t valued. I appreciate your humor and I don’t mean to be sarcastic…but people do take the fact that they can even GET married for granted.  No harm intended. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gotta love the marriage tax.  Benefits people who shack up without getting married and penalizes those who tie the knot (and go for those good ole’ "family values").  Something is definitely wrong here! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Gotta love the marriage tax.  Benefits people who shack up without getting married and penalizes those who tie the knot (and go for those good ole’ "family values").  Something is definitely wrong here! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I often chuckle at the things people who can legally marry take for granted.   If you only knew what I’ve got to look forward to with my taxes! says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -just so you know what your friend President Clinton plans to veto: Married couples combine their incomes when filing taxes, but are taxed at a lower rate. This would help make up for the fact that their income is higher, BUT instead of the two people getting two deductions, they get 1.5 deductions, so they wind up paying more federal income tax than if the y had never gotten married. Several democrats have joined the republicans and passed a bill which would fix this marriage penalty, but president clinton has announced he will veto the bill. Despite his forecast multi-trillion dollar surpluses, he doe sn’t think the government can spare enough money to treat married couples f airly. <and if you want to pay more taxes after your wedding, you can thank h im for the veto Samantha and Mark 09-10-00 <just two people in love who are also concerned about taxes www.georgewbush.com

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just so you know what your friend President Clinton plans to veto: Married couples combine their incomes when filing taxes, but are taxed at a lower rate. This would help make up for the fact that their income is higher, BUT instead of the two people getting two deductions, they get 1.5 deductions, so they wind up paying more federal income tax than if they had never gotten married. Several democrats have joined the republicans and passed a bill which would fix this marriage penalty, but president clinton has announced he will veto the bill. Despite his forecast multi-trillion dollar surpluses, he doesn’t think the government can spare enough money to treat married couples fairly. <and if you want to pay more taxes after your wedding, you can thank him for the veto Samantha and Mark 09-10-00 <just two people in love who are also concerned about taxes www.georgewbush.com

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EXCUSE ME?

snip Ok, now my sarcasm is out of the way I am angry at the mentality of the people who make these stupid laws.  As if a gay couple could not provide a loving stable home for a child.  Puppy Poop (cleaning up my act as I’m going to be granny) Linda reunited mom

Congrats Linda, I just became a grandfather, so welcome to the club. HH

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I was actually poking fun at the way Chris spelled Mississippi, perhaps helping to "mock" them, is Chirs from Mississippi? As for me, I’ve never put much value on ‘common sense’. HH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m hoping you used the word "fag" thinking that you were being clever and mocking the ignorant legislators of Mississipi.  But I’m afraid you don’t seem to have enough common sense to know what is crossing the line. Are you mocking Mississippi?  Draw the line pal, I’ll cross it any day of the weak. HH I haven’t seen the post you’ve referred to, HH, but I will say this… Mississippi is doing a fine job of mocking itself. The state needs no help from anyone else. pb…

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Am I mocking the Mississippi legislature?  What good would such a tepid reaction do?  No, I’ll join the other fags in an organized campaign to reverse their actions.  And your choice of the word fag tells me either you shoot your mouth off even if you offend people you have no reason to or that you should join the idiots in the statehouse in Jackson. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Why thank you Don, I stand corrected. HH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am I mocking the Mississippi legislature?  What good would such a tepid reaction do?  No, I’ll join the other fags in an organized campaign to reverse their actions.  And your choice of the word fag tells me either you shoot your mouth off even if you offend people you have no reason to or that you should join the idiots in the statehouse in Jackson. Yes. He should have used the word "queer," which I see the gay movement use to describe themselves quite often. – Don

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I’m hoping you used the word "fag" thinking that you were being clever and mocking the ignorant legislators of Mississipi.  But I’m afraid you don’t seem to have enough common sense to know what is crossing the line.

Are you mocking Mississippi?  Draw the line pal, I’ll cross it any day of the weak. HH

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Draw the line pal, I’ll cross it any day of the weak.

I hope *weak* was a pun for week…:) Linda reunited mom

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By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer JACKSON, Miss. (AP) – Mississippi on Wednesday became the third state to ban gay couples from adopting children, although the plan is likely to be challenged in court.

As my s/o just said, Mississippi is a state with "four eyes that can’t see." Mary

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Is my face red.

Shouldn’t be!   You got me. I got YOU babe?  :-) Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -HH If you can’t understand what I meant, I suggest you read the article. Do YOU understand irony? Helen HH What exactly do you mean by ‘Fag Adoptions’? I don’t suppose you meant it as a pejorative alternative to ‘homosexual’ or ‘gay’? Helen

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By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer JACKSON, Miss. (AP) – Mississippi on Wednesday became the third state to ban gay couples from adopting children, although the plan is likely to be challenged in court. Democratic Gov. Ronnie Musgrove signed the bill after it easily cleared the Legislature in the final days of the recently concluded 2000 session. Florida and Utah have similar laws. The American Civil Liberties Union has vowed to file a lawsuit on behalf of an unidentified gay couple planning an adoption in Mississippi. The ACLU is already fighting Florida’s law in court.  Mississippi’s law takes effect July 1. Its supporters said it was spurred in part by Vermont’s new law giving gay couples nearly all of the benefits of marriage. “We need to put up a firewall and say, `This is not going to happen here,”’ Mike Crook, state director for the Tupelo-based American Family Association, said Wednesday. “They can go to court all day long, and I think we’ll prevail.” Opponents said there was no reason for the state to get involved in the issue. “It’s a part of the get ‘em mentality. They have to be getting somebody,” said Democratic state Rep. Jim Evans. The ban had divided religious groups. The state’s top Episcopal leader urged its defeat. Baptists and Methodists lobbied for it. Connecticut took a step in the opposite direction Wednesday, as the state’s Senate gave final legislative approval to a bill that would allow gays and other unmarried people to adopt their partners’ children. Gov. John G. Rowland said he would sign the bill into law. HH

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What exactly do you mean by ‘Fag Adoptions’? I don’t suppose you meant it as a pejorative alternative to ‘homosexual’ or ‘gay’? Helen

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If you can’t understand what I meant, I suggest you read the article. HH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What exactly do you mean by ‘Fag Adoptions’? I don’t suppose you meant it as a pejorative alternative to ‘homosexual’ or ‘gay’? Helen

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If you can’t understand what I meant, I suggest you read the article.

Do YOU understand irony? Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -HH What exactly do you mean by ‘Fag Adoptions’? I don’t suppose you meant it as a pejorative alternative to ‘homosexual’ or ‘gay’? Helen

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Is my face red.  You got me. HH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you can’t understand what I meant, I suggest you read the article. Do YOU understand irony? Helen HH What exactly do you mean by ‘Fag Adoptions’? I don’t suppose you meant it as a pejorative alternative to ‘homosexual’ or ‘gay’? Helen

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I’m hoping you used the word "fag" thinking that you were being clever and mocking the ignorant legislators of Mississipi.  But I’m afraid you don’t seem to have enough common sense to know what is crossing the line. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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EXCUSE ME? FAG adoptions..I really am taking offense here. I’m not surprised that they are banning homosexual adoptions, we all know that gays can’t be trusted to raise a child… OOPS..sorry I forgot I’m the mother (er b) of a gay son and GASP, he’s trying to adopt two girls…as we speak..  Georgia even approved him and his partner. I really must stop this. Ok, now my sarcasm is out of the way I am angry at the mentality of the people who make these stupid laws.  As if a gay couple could not provide a loving stable home for a child.  Puppy Poop (cleaning up my act as I’m going to be granny) Linda reunited mom

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This debate has visited AAR and similar newsgroups many times.  I for one do not buy into the simple black and white "All spanking is abuse."  But no matter how many times this issue comes up, it will not be resolved any day soon.  It has all the characteristics of a religious debate, and neither side is going to yield an inch. Peace and strength, Tide Rider

my position is that corporal punnishment does not work – and yes, spanking *is* abuse – the key however, is consent – if you have consent then it is not abuse it doesnt mean that spanking is the same as beating or sexual abuse, i think one can make mistakes as a parent – its ok – but they are mistakes love noen —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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you are wrong…corporal punishment is not abuse…beating children is abuse…but you have your position and I mine….ask my kids if an occasional swat on the butt makes me an abuser…. Deexxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – why? can you say "heavy sarcasm"? corperal punnishment of children is abuse – pure and simple – add to that it never works, only makes more abusers time out *does* work – of course, the adult has to actually *be* an adult and not an adult child – remember, time out is for the parent not the child noen =  = = = = =  = = Alan, get some help…really… Deexxx Yaaa, I like a good lynch mod my self Lady Death. That Jesus fella was a long haired commie pinko liberal and his punishment fit the crime – the guy was found guilty in a court of law all proper and correct. That crucification/gas/poison/electic/hanging/shooting/guilotine thingy is real important to a believer like you. You should pull the switch on some mothers son one of these days. Get more of a taste for justice. sumbuddie said dis I also believe that the punishment should fit the crime —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Some sense! I have spanked my kids, but I don’t have to do it very often…I don’t know if American kids are very different to English kids, but here we laugh at time outs…we tend to think that you are far too lax with your children and that they do not have enough boundaries…for instance…I would never read my son’s diary or open his mail, but in return I expect him to have enough respect not to hide things from me…I will quite easily go in to his bedroom, and I think that the Columbine shooting might not had happened if there wasn’t all this  "respect their space and privacy" bullshit…I wonder if the parents of those kids who were shot think that the shooters should have been spanked? Abuse is one thing and spanking another…there is a fine line, but I put this to you….is not letting your children grow up in a world where their actions are met with the most ridiculous of consequences, (I refer again to time outs) and they never have to really take responsibility for anything thereby having a warped perspective on the world and their place in it also abuse? Just my Tuppence… Deexxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Colin, If you have read all of this I have done the time outs for myself and my son.  I never hit out of anger (which to me is where the abuse starts)  I have made mistakes too and have listened and tried new and unusual things.  Like picking up my children’s toys and putting them in the shed when I told them time after time to pick them up….never did they get a spanking for this I just put them in the shed and wrapped them for Christmas the next year.  They learnt to pick up their toys.  I spank when it needs done after a warning telling my children if this happens again I will do this.  Mostly I try to ground him since he is a bigger child but sometimes this does not work when he takes his screen out and climbs out his window and sneaks away.  I am not saying that spanking is right for everyone.  What I am saying is that "beating and "spanking" is not the same thing.  And right now this child has not been in any trouble for about 3 months……I have only spanked this child 5 or 6 times in his life…….it is not every time he does something I don’t like he gets a spanking.  Most times I talk but when he skips school and the cops are at my door when he was told once not to do this he then got 2 swats on the butt and then I took him to school and told the officer there what I done and he said my son deserved it. I am also doing most of this by myself because my EX will not help when he is pulling most of this because he says if I don’t take care of it my child will run all over me…….Now if you have a better way to do this I will listen and try and let you know…….I am not a bad parent and some my say I am I really don’t care I am doing the best I can with what I have to work with and right now that isn’t much. LD it didn’t work with my kids so I use something that does….. LD And there-in lies the problem.                  Colin I have been on both sides. I can’t say I have never slapped a child. I have, and I am still damn sorry that I did. I apologized primarily by listening closely and quietly as she articulated her loss of trust in me. The easy familiarity was replaced with a slight guardedness, even after she accepted my apology. If I had to do it over again, I would have simply disengaged briefly, my own time-out.                  Colin care to find out the other talents I have? Look here! www.geocities.com/wizard-n-ladyd/bid_on.html

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This debate has visited AAR and similar newsgroups many times.  I for one do not buy into the simple black and white "All spanking is abuse."  But no matter how many times this issue comes up, it will not be resolved any day soon.  It has all the characteristics of a religious debate, and neither side is going to yield an inch. Peace and strength, Tide Rider

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It was a shock to find out that God boffed some jew chick in broad daylight out in an open field and this lady was married to some Joe to begin with. I wonder what God was trying to do with this Murphy Brown of 2000 years ago when he did that dispite his own commandments abandoning a son (the goodie two shoes one, the other one could not live up to it and turned bad and started to act out; real dysfunctional ya know) with no child support and no visitations.  After years of this the poor kid grew up to think that God had foresaken him. This is why I dont have a hard life – there have been other kids who have had it harder then me.  I know them. Jesus was a survivor I am sure. sumbuddie said dis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alan, get some help…really… Deexxx

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Good morning LD, Oh boy, this is a topic, much like the topic that scorched the earth round here a few months ago, that just never dies.  It is one that seems to comeback in a more virulent form each time.  Well, that’s pretty understandable considering what has happened to a lot of folks here.  There is the physical component and the emotional/abandonment component that gets taken up pretty easily when "spanking" gets mentioned. Me, I’ve been there, done that AND got four T-shirts to prove that I lived through raising my kids.  A few people here know some of the story, but I’m pretty well convinced that there are very few perfect kids living in perfect families in perfect middle American communities For me, the knowledge, that when all is said and done, that I did the best I could, with what I had, when I had it, has to be enough.  Monday morning quarterbacking won’t fix the time I lost my temper and yelled at one of the kids, it won’t take back the sting of my hand when I spanked just after picking them up from in front of the car that just ran over the bike, still blinded with fear. (I think they will remember the bear hug they got immediately after the spank though). Each of my kids was different from the others. I think they stayed up late trying to divvy up all those aggravating traits so that none would be missed.  While they were doing that and trying them out, sometimes all at once, they were the most precious moments I’ll ever have.  Somehow we all lived.  Somehow they apparently picked up some of the stuff we talked about over dinner, in the car about manners and courtesy, honesty and integrity because none of them are the "source of society". I guess this was just a long winded way of saying, give it your best shot with what you have to offer.  That is all you or anyone else can realistically expect. jeeco

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Colin, If you have read all of this I have done the time outs for myself and my son.  I never hit out of anger (which to me is where the abuse starts)  I have made mistakes too and have listened and tried new and unusual things.  Like picking up my children’s toys and putting them in the shed when I told them time after time to pick them up….never did they get a spanking for this I just put them in the shed and wrapped them for Christmas the next year.  They learnt to pick up their toys.  I spank when it needs done after a warning telling my children if this happens again I will do this.  Mostly I try to ground him since he is a bigger child but sometimes this does not work when he takes his screen out and climbs out his window and sneaks away.  I am not saying that spanking is right for everyone.  What I am saying is that "beating and "spanking" is not the same thing.  And right now this child has not been in any trouble for about 3 months……I have only spanked this child 5 or 6 times in his life…….it is not every time he does something I don’t like he gets a spanking.  Most times I talk but when he skips school and the cops are at my door when he was told once not to do this he then got 2 swats on the butt and then I took him to school and told the officer there what I done and he said my son deserved it. I am also doing most of this by myself because my EX will not help when he is pulling most of this because he says if I don’t take care of it my child will run all over me…….Now if you have a better way to do this I will listen and try and let you know…….I am not a bad parent and some my say I am I really don’t care I am doing the best I can with what I have to work with and right now that isn’t much. LD it didn’t work with my kids so I use something that does….. LD And there-in lies the problem.                  Colin I have been on both sides. I can’t say I have never slapped a child. I have, and I am still damn sorry that I did. I apologized primarily by listening closely and quietly as she articulated her loss of trust in me. The easy familiarity was replaced with a slight guardedness, even after she accepted my apology. If I had to do it over again, I would have simply disengaged briefly, my own time-out.                  Colin care to find out the other talents I have? Look here! www.geocities.com/wizard-n-ladyd/bid_on.html

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I am also doing most of this by myself because my EX will not help when he is pulling most of this because he says if I don’t take care of it my child will run all over me…….Now if you have a better way to do this I will listen and try and let you know…….I am not a bad parent and some my say I am I really don’t care I am doing the best I can with what I have to work with and right now that isn’t much.

i don’t have kids, but i got a lot of advice from a great mom, so i hope you don’t mind me talking about it … this reminds me of my longtime friend M, she has 2 sons, i first met her when they were 12 and 16. it was after my mom died, i spent a LOT of time just sitting at M’s house, she was such a good friend to me. not only did she parent her 2 sons, but she ended up parenting almost every kid her sons knew. like one of those ppl that take in every lost puppy … she took in every "lost" kid. so i got to see a *huge* range of teenage behavior, whew! i admired her so much, her kids had their troubles but they were so compassionate, so aware, so cool. her husband was having drinking problems and the 16 yr. old ran away once, like you said, right out the window. so she was pretty much on her own having to be a mom and a dad both to those boys. i asked her for advice constantly, at the time me and my husband were trying to get pregnant (didn’t know i was infertile) and i was just amazed at how good her kids turned out. amazed at the progress she made with all the other troubled kids. i wanted to know her secrets! i remember her teaching me a few big things: like, don’t make discipline a chore or duty like it’s a separate thing, weave it into everything all day long, make it a simple part of life. like she’d been talking to her kids all their lives, weaving in "drugs mess up your head and you can’t think straight" along with "the weather’s nice" and "don’t swear in school it’s not polite" and "what do you want for dinner?" and i guess the kids just … "absorbed" it all. rather than her making it a lesson or something? cuz i remember she never even had to raise her voice with the boys, even when they’d get rough and be fighting, she’d just tell them "ok enough already" and they’d mellow out. i remember she also told me she never saw herself as someone in "control" of the kids, she saw herself as someone very honored to be with them. and she told them that, too, from an early age. also i remember asking "how in the heck do you even get to talk to them??" and she said #1 during activities like cooking or playing games, where they weren’t really looking at each other, and #2 during car rides, from their baby years she’d talked to them about everything from the weather to the serious stuff, all very casual, and they just got used to it being a part of their life. so honestly i don’t think the boys even realized their mom was "disciplining" them, it was just a part of their daily life like brushing teeth. one time the younger one was getting hyper and out of hand and she said "let’s go get taco bell" and when they came back he’d mellowed out. i asked him about it, he just shrugged and said "we talk about everything, she’s cool" and i thought that was pretty awesome. i guess what struck me the most was how casual it all was, and she told me she’d just always been that way with them. i finally got to go on a few of these "rides" and it was wild, we’d end up talking about everything from the weather to gangs to abortion to guitar strings, you couldn’t shut the boys up once they got in the car, lol. a few times she was on vacation, i’d "inherit" all the other kids … whew!! i was young enough they were friendly to me but old enough they accepted me as "the boss." i remember just doing the stuff M did, like one night we ended up having a condom talk during a Nintendo game, geez. but it worked, the kid involved decided it was too much hassle and decided to put off sex (thank goodness). then one night one of the boys came in drunk, i got one of the other boys to grab his car keys and i hid them, then asked him how he liked his coffee. we drank coffee and he yakked for a few hours about his troubles. then i tucked him in on the couch, he was 17 but just like a little kid, it broke my heart. one of the girls, her stepdad was a real asshole, i remember he broke her leg and M took her in because the mom chose the stepdad over her … i remember half-carrying her out to the car for her dr’s appt., she was like a little baby she just needed attention so damn badly!! so i babied her for a few days, when no one was looking of course. she’d act all mature but in reality she was just a hurt little kid. but honestly, i don’t know, if it’s been a struggle for a long time, how to change it. you can patch it, mend it, i do know that. i mean, you’d have to tell the kids if you’re going to do something differently, and get their feedback. i do some work with a teen survivors group sometimes, wow those girls have pretty violent tendencies! and it’s so sad what they’re going thru in their lives. but i keep in mind all of M’s great advice. like we had a presenter coming about healthy sexuality, so i arranged the room so everybody was sitting beside each other and nobody face to face. and sure enough the girls started talking!! if we do the "roundtable," they mostly stare at their fingernail polish, lol. one time we were making brownies for a bake sale and this one girl just started asking me all sorts of questions about boys, like "is it wrong if a guy punches your arm?" and i was shocked, but tried to keep casual. i mean my first instinct was to get all serious and lecture her to get away from abusive guys. but i remembered baking with M’s kids and how they’d spill their guts to me. so we just talked about it while baking (well i was mostly eating hehe) i just told her i thought it’s not ok, just stop hanging with the guy and move on to someone who she can talk to and won’t hurt her. and it turns out she did get away from that guy, whew. i guess the point i want to make is, these girls tell us at the group that they can’t talk to their moms because their moms always make a "big deal" out of it, there’s always "the TALK" and it makes them very uncomfortable. so i guess M’s advice was pretty damn good i just hope this all works when we adopt. we’ll very likely be taking in a child who’s already been abused by birthfamily and foster families, so methinks i got one helluva lot of brownies to bake *sigh* peace, karmagrrl

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Hi Alan, Ya, amelia – there is a learning curve to this stuff.

I’m going up the hill right now.  I still have a huge heap of pain to cry through but I feel I will be better off when I’m done feeling hurt over my Dad and my ex. I was compassionate also – and my dad who was a WW2/Korea type – nice guy and loving – had some ideas for me to live a certain way and this included killing some things at his insistance.

My Dad was in Korea as well.  He was a Marine.  Not so loving, maybe in his own way sometimes, no one is completely black.  That’s sad that your Dad pushed you into things that went against the grain.  I’ve never had to kill.  I’m very thankful for this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as to the stoping the cycle of violence – and the systems theory, I just usally put a hand or stick out a foot – but mostly I just do what I can to put love into the systems of things more then anger. I even have been spending time working on my anger to Judge Golden and how I followed court orders on a par with having no money or the will to abuse Gina, my daughter with legal kakapoopoo.   That was her mom’s idea.  Just cause we can’t be married dont stop us from parenting a child. But hey

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Mildred? Jane Webb Mudpie & Moonpie

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Jane Webb writes:

:Mildred? http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/NJ54.html Mildred and Denna have met before. JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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Quote: <A HREF="http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/NJ54.html"http://www.petfinder.or g/shelters/NJ54.html</A Combined with the Level Look in the eyes, that ear has a definite attitude. I gues, for lack of appropriate fingers and wrist rotation, it will have to do. patpatpat Jane Webb Mudpie & Moonpie

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Thank GAWD! Now, you can not only host 14K people at the PART-AY, but adopt or foster Mildred, as well. WEG! Terri Ducking and running…"Run away, Run away"!

SHHHHHHHHHHH!!!  You’ll give John ideas! But I’ll happily host 14,000 people if ya’ll will pay the cost of renting The Ted.  (Turner Field).  ;-) Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool."                                                                         -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy!

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Just talk Jerry into coming with one of his black boxes.  Shouldn’t that automatically calm and train every dog in the park with its range?  Then they’d all behave off-leash and there wouldn’t be any problems.  I don’t know why you all make such a big deal out of things when for less than $100 you could have all your problems solved. Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Matt writes: :Close is good.  Off-leash is also good. There’s the rub. Off-leash is good only if the dogs allowed off-leash are reasonably well-behaved. JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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Oh, but Rocky would LOOOOOVVVVVE to par-tay in a compost pile!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a farm, a compost pile, or even a park. Oh, I said "park" already. A compost pile?  I draw the line at compost piles. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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There’s the rub. Off-leash is good only if the dogs allowed off-leash are reasonably well-behaved.

A good recall is important (to me) in my park.  Sitting at distance is a given, especially with lots of bicycles in the park. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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I will be moving into a 4-bedroom house within the next few weeks. This means several changes to the par-tay plans.

Thank GAWD! Now, you can not only host 14K people at the PART-AY, but adopt or foster Mildred, as well. WEG! Terri Ducking and running…"Run away, Run away"!

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Matt writes:

:Close is good.  Off-leash is also good. There’s the rub. Off-leash is good only if the dogs allowed off-leash are reasonably well-behaved. JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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a farm, a compost pile, or even a park. Oh, I said "park" already.

A compost pile?  I draw the line at compost piles. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Actually… I have something of an announcement regarding that.  I’ll post it in another thread momentarily.  :-)

I saw it.  Congratulations on you’re new home!  And new (older) pup! And thank you for moving closer to ATL just for me. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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I’m not so much neutral as ambivalent on park sites at this point.

Denna replies: :Okay, I’ll put you down as a decided "don’t care." No! I DO care! It’s just that things I care about have leaning in both directions at once! JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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I saw it.  Congratulations on you’re new home!  And new (older) pup!

Oh, Fudie.  I hate *that* kind of typo. Denna, congratulations on YOUR new home! — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Oh, Fudie.  I hate *that* kind of typo.

One more: how about "Oh Fudgie……". — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Cast your vote folks, that’ll determine where we’re going that day!  I still intend to have dinner at Dave and Buster’s.

What’s best for the dogs? Close is good.  Off-leash is also good. Face it Denna, it’s *your* decision as host.  There’s gonna be lots of details to deal with. What time are you going to pick me up at the airport?  ;) — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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:3. I now have… Fudgie!  Yes, she comes with :the house, assuming her meeting with Caleb :goes well. Oh, I do hope that works out! Good luck with your new home! I’m not so much neutral as ambivalent on park sites at this point. JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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I’m not so much neutral as ambivalent on park sites at this point.

Okay, I’ll put you down as a decided "don’t care." Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool."                                                                         -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy!

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How big could a compost pile be, anyway?  Just stand upwind, and you’ll be fine.  Hate to miss a good par-tay because of a little compost! Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a farm, a compost pile, or even a park. Oh, I said "park" already. A compost pile?  I draw the line at compost piles. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Just be glad it’s not the other way around.  14,863 people sleeping on your living room floor?

Actually… I have something of an announcement regarding that.  I’ll post it in another thread momentarily.  :-) Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool."                                                                         -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy!

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I will be moving into a 4-bedroom house within the next few weeks. This means several changes to the par-tay plans. 1. I now have 2 guest rooms and an office floor available for sleeping.  The guest rooms will have beds in them by October, and the office may have an air matress or futon by then.  It’s all still free. 2. I now have a large fenced backyard.  This should make accomadating dog-toting travellers far easier. 3. I now have… Fudgie!  Yes, she comes with the house, assuming her meeting with Caleb goes well. 4. I now have a nice long driveway, so I actually have somewhere for ya’ll to park (as opposed to my current 2-car parking area). 5. I am now closer to the airport, and to Atlanta, but a little further from Gainesville (ASCA nationals), Dave and Buster’s, and Tribble Mill Park.  All of these locations are still reasonably close, but since the house is 5 miles from Stone Mountain Park, I have a question to pose to everyone: which would you prefer to spend the day at? Tribble Mill: not nearly as crowded, cleaner, quieter, no entry fee, but no bathrooms or other facilities (only port-a-potties), and further away (30 minute drive from house).  Police in park have also been known to look the other way on the leash rule IF your dog is well behaved and not bothering anyone (it’s a popular place for water retrieve training). Stone Mountain: Larger, has tourist attractions, resturaunts, public bathrooms, and other facilities, and is about a 5 minute drive from the house, but it costs $7 to get in, it’s dirtier, a lot more crowded, more strict on leash requirements (they’ll fine you for having a dog off leash there), and dogs aren’t allowed in all areas of the park. Cast your vote folks, that’ll determine where we’re going that day!  I still intend to have dinner at Dave and Buster’s. Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool."                                                                         -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy!

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Denna writes:

:The Real Pit Bull: 14,863 hits. Go! Go! Go!   :*faint* :Tell me again why I’m doing this for free? Can’t tell you. But I’m glad you’re doing it. It’s one of the best sites out there, and one of very few I ever recommend. JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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The Official Par-Tay homepage: Monthly stats not yet available The Real Pit Bull: 14,863 hits.  

Just be glad it’s not the other way around.  14,863 people sleeping on your living room floor? — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Put it this way:  I’ll be there whether you hold it in a park, a motel, a restaurant, a jail, a movie theater, a bar, a dance club, a pool hall, a bowling alley, a warehouse, a TV studio (there’s an idea), a farm, a compost pile, or even a park. Oh, I said "park" already. Tracy Landauer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be moving into a 4-bedroom house within the next few weeks. This means several changes to the par-tay plans. 1. I now have 2 guest rooms and an office floor available for sleeping.  The guest rooms will have beds in them by October, and the office may have an air matress or futon by then.  It’s all still free. 2. I now have a large fenced backyard.  This should make accomadating dog-toting travellers far easier. 3. I now have… Fudgie!  Yes, she comes with the house, assuming her meeting with Caleb goes well. 4. I now have a nice long driveway, so I actually have somewhere for ya’ll to park (as opposed to my current 2-car parking area). 5. I am now closer to the airport, and to Atlanta, but a little further from Gainesville (ASCA nationals), Dave and Buster’s, and Tribble Mill Park.  All of these locations are still reasonably close, but since the house is 5 miles from Stone Mountain Park, I have a question to pose to everyone: which would you prefer to spend the day at? Tribble Mill: not nearly as crowded, cleaner, quieter, no entry fee, but no bathrooms or other facilities (only port-a-potties), and further away (30 minute drive from house).  Police in park have also been known to look the other way on the leash rule IF your dog is well behaved and not bothering anyone (it’s a popular place for water retrieve training). Stone Mountain: Larger, has tourist attractions, resturaunts, public bathrooms, and other facilities, and is about a 5 minute drive from the house, but it costs $7 to get in, it’s dirtier, a lot more crowded, more strict on leash requirements (they’ll fine you for having a dog off leash there), and dogs aren’t allowed in all areas of the park. Cast your vote folks, that’ll determine where we’re going that day!  I still intend to have dinner at Dave and Buster’s. Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool."                                                                         -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy!

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I just checked my site stats, just out of curiosity.  I’ve never done that before… I didn’t really care, to be honest. Picantes.com: 108 hits (not bad for a site that doesn’t exist, huh? Windwolf’s Completely Useless Web Page: 2,003 hits Caleb: Genius Dog: 512 hits Happy Thoughts (no longer active): 222 hits The Official Par-Tay homepage: Monthly stats not yet available The Real Pit Bull: 14,863 hits.   *faint* Tell me again why I’m doing this for free?  <G Denna "Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool."                                                                         -Bellamy Brooks The Official Site for the upcoming Unofficial RPD Par-tay: http://www.picantes.com/partay http://www.picantes.com/pitbull – The Real Pit Bull http://www.picantes.com/caleb – Come admire my puppy!

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I _did_ notice that once I *finally* got my puter fixed and video functioning again, your wedding stuff wasn’t there anymore. Sigh. I was kind of looking forward to seeing all those pix in something other than 16 bit color. (no globs of blue, red, yellow or green, that is.) You do it because you can, of course! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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if you want a puppy, have you thought about going to your local pound to adopt?? there are plenty of adorable small dogs, mixed and purebred that are desparately in need of homes. even if you don’t want to adopt, you may want to visit the pound just to realize how many animals out there need homes. who knows, one of the puppies that you breed, may end up there. miho

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I have 14 MO. f. 8lb  Maltese & shithzu mix she is CKC reg. white with grey ears, and grey on 1 front shoulder, and one rear hip.

How the Hell can you register a mixed breed,  much less one with only one hip???? Sheesh – but hey,  those little pups will melt the people at the pound as they are being euthaniased.  (however it’s spelled) I wish people really cared about their furry family members more.

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You need to understand the risks breeding causes. Are you prepared to actually aid this bitch in whelping? To actually get your hands in there and help the pups out if need be? Are you prepared to have to rush her to the vet at 3am for an emergency C-Section if a pup’s head is too big to pass through the bitch’s cervix? Are you prepared to give a pup that isn’t breathing CPR? Are you prepared to have her die in your arms if something goes wrong? Or go into shock days later because she retained a dead pup? All of the above are not remote possiblities. These are the kinds of things that happen when you chose to breed. Before you even breed her, have you had her hips checked via OFA or PennHip? Had cardiovascular tests done to make sure she really *is* as healthy as you think? Do you know that small breed dogs usually have smallish litters – you may only have one or two pups from the breeding. And you are responsible for the health of those pups. Do you have the money to take each pup to the vet to be examined, have their dew claws removed and receive  one or two rounds of vaccinations as well as wormings? These and many other things should be taken into SERIOUS consideration when deciding to breed. Then consider too that why would someone pay you more for one of your mixed breed dogs than they could pay to get a simialr dog from the shelter. I think the better, and certainly more cost effective thing for you to do would be to spay her and love her for the rest of her life, not endanger her precious life for a one time breeding.

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